tkuhrt (Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:05:47 GMT):
Training and Education Working Group

tkuhrt (Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:17:13 GMT):
For more information see: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg

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Wiki link: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg

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Mailing List: https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo/hyperledger-training-and-education-wg

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Mareddy (Tue, 26 Dec 2017 13:57:07 GMT):
Hi is there any good verification program for hyperledger / blockchain experts?

Mareddy (Tue, 26 Dec 2017 13:57:21 GMT):
Certification*

tkuhrt (Tue, 26 Dec 2017 16:04:35 GMT):
@Mareddy : You might be interested in this: https://www.hyperledger.org/resources/training. We at the Linux Foundation are also working to put together a certification program for Hyperledger Fabric. I do not expect that to be available for six months or more though.

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jadhavajay (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:52:18 GMT):
Hi @tkuhrt - I am a co-founder of a Blockchain Startup and a Blockchain Trainer here in India. I have been conducting Online/On-premise Blockchain trainings for global participants. My trainings include Hyperledger Fabric, Composer and UI Development. I would like to contribute to this WG with my experience. Kindly guide...

tkuhrt (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:57:19 GMT):
Hi, @jadhavajay - we would love to have you. I will be sending out some information after the new year on how to get involved. Stay tuned to this channel for a Doodle poll looking for a time for us to have our first call, as well as dial in details for a meeting.

jadhavajay (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:59:18 GMT):
Thank Tracy, will wait for details..

tkuhrt (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 13:00:57 GMT):
In the meantime, we can start doing some brainstorming on the types of materials that we would like to produce. I have started a list here : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk. Feel free to make suggestions and add comments.

jadhavajay (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 13:56:28 GMT):
Nice, thanks for sharing - just did a glance over the list. Can we also add topic-level breakup in each one of the course?

tkuhrt (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:16:01 GMT):
Please make any suggested edits.

RammohanThirupasur (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:16:26 GMT):
Hi @tkuhrt , I am Rammohan Sr Hybrid Cloud Architect Leader .. I am in to the blockchain space since 2015,, delivered keynote addresses , meetups and conducted hackathons on blockchain.. I am also IBM Blockchain certified.. would be keen to engage with you and contribute

tkuhrt (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:16:28 GMT):
Maybe separate breakouts outside the table

tkuhrt (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:17:12 GMT):
@RammohanThirupasur : sounds good. I look forward to your engagement

tkuhrt (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:17:35 GMT):
and contributions

RammohanThirupasur (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:17:38 GMT):
Sure..

RammohanThirupasur (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:17:44 GMT):
will be glad to contribute

tkuhrt (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:18:19 GMT):
Feel free to add thoughts to the Google document

RammohanThirupasur (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:23:16 GMT):
sure

RammohanThirupasur (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:26:17 GMT):
very important and critical trends are emerging in the blockchain space.. I have added that to the google document under advanced... its about "Blockchain convergence with AI ,IOT and Big-Data

tkuhrt (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:27:56 GMT):
Cool!

RammohanThirupasur (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:28:08 GMT):
and of course Cybersecurity ..

RammohanThirupasur (Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:28:23 GMT):
added that as well.. there is lot happening on these in the startup world

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ims43 (Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:41:08 GMT):
hi some basic questions while im going through the training resources

ims43 (Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:41:24 GMT):
1. is there any high level diagram of how all the products for hyperledger work together?

ims43 (Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:42:24 GMT):
2. why is Indy separate from hyperledger, not a standard feature? Are there other options that make Indy one of many identifying options?

ims43 (Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:43:27 GMT):
3. Insted of Cello, what are the other options? I am assuming since a blockchain is on the 'cloud' and distributed its never down, thus the need for something like Cello would be the default choice vs. something that is on-premise

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SjirNijssen (Sun, 31 Dec 2017 15:18:45 GMT):
I recommend to develop clear concept descriptions of Blockchain, AI, IOT and Big-data

tkuhrt (Wed, 03 Jan 2018 19:02:08 GMT):
@ims43 : (1) Not really (2) Indy is a project within the Hyperledger umbrella. Are you asking about why it is not part of one of the other frameworks? (3) Cello is the only tool within Hyperledger that provides this functionality. Other options may exist (such as creating your own scripts) to deploy a blockchain network.

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ishwaryak (Thu, 04 Jan 2018 06:55:05 GMT):
can anyone solve this error?

ims43 (Thu, 04 Jan 2018 07:04:56 GMT):
hi @tkuhrt, as i understand indy stores the user's data but not on a db....this seems like is a mandatory part of a blockchain...thus this should be a default part of hyperledger. now the assumption im making is that user's profile is needed....is this not the case? or does each user have their own 'wallet' with hyperledger?

anbknaga (Thu, 04 Jan 2018 10:22:31 GMT):
Hey all, I am new to blockchain and even for programming except some basic C++ knowledge. . I would like to develop use cases and applications on blockchain.How would you suggest me to go forward? Can anyone help me with this? Thanks. Good Day

tkuhrt (Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:01:10 GMT):
@ishwaryak : This is not the right channel for questions on Hyperledger Fabric CA. Try the #fabric-ca channel

tkuhrt (Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:11:52 GMT):
@anbknaga : Have you found the Introductory course on edX? https://www.edx.org/course/blockchain-business-introduction-linuxfoundationx-lfs171x

tkuhrt (Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:13:26 GMT):
@ims43 : Probably the best place to have this conversation is in the #indy chat; however, the idea with Indy is that you take back control of your own identity. This means that you control who has access to your personal information.

tkuhrt (Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:14:02 GMT):
Also, could you help me understand what you mean when you say Hyperledger here? It looks like you are using it as in Hyperledger Fabric, but I want to be sure I am completely understanding the rest of your question.

anbknaga (Fri, 05 Jan 2018 03:49:15 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=uFF8mvxvXJSC5Pgsa) @tkuhrt I am going to take that course.

anbknaga (Fri, 05 Jan 2018 04:57:17 GMT):
what abt the prg language that i need to learn? any suggesstions for brgineer?

tkuhrt (Fri, 05 Jan 2018 18:00:34 GMT):
Golang and Javascript will be used in the course, @anbknaga

SjirNijssen (Sat, 06 Jan 2018 07:18:21 GMT):
When studying the Charter of the Hyperledger Training and Education WG, I encounter a problem. The Charter specifies: "Material must be reviewed and approved by a minimum of two maintainers before it can be committed to the repository. New maintainers will be proposed by an existing maintainer and approved by a majority of existing maintainers." These rules are clear. As far as I can read there are currently no maintainers. Where can I read how the first two maintainers will be appointed? Can anybody help? Thanks in advance.

tkuhrt (Mon, 08 Jan 2018 17:12:42 GMT):
@SjirNijssen : During the TSC calls where we discussed the Training and Education WG, we do have people who have volunteered to be maintainers. We may not have set them up on Github yet, but we do have the following four maintainers -- @cbf (Chris Ferris), @amundson (Shawn Amundson), @baohua (Baohua Yang), and myself

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cbf (Mon, 08 Jan 2018 17:40:06 GMT):
+1

SjirNijssen (Mon, 08 Jan 2018 18:15:04 GMT):
Thanks

baohua (Tue, 09 Jan 2018 03:04:14 GMT):
+1!

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I was trying to install sawtooth development environment SDK, it occurred to me that while I could install the sawtooth nodes itself the development environment installation guidelines were not very consistent especially if something went wrong I could not always tell the root cause. the second problem I had is getting a stable environment set-up (I suppose that stable is a relative term which depend on the function and vary from one sdk language to another...) anyway, I really liked the structure of the IBM documentation and I think it would be very smart to create a continuous installation to building a blockchain app

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amundson (Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:37:10 GMT):
@YaelN thanks for the feedback. Sawtooth's application developer guide is undergoing a rewrite currently that should help a lot.

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Everymans.ai (Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:26:37 GMT):
"Hi All, quick introduction... My name is George Polzer, my expertise is the A.I. technology stack and work as Course Manager for MiT Sloan's new AI Executive Education training program." I am the founder of Everymans.ai consultancy and publish a low-tech A.I. newsletter with 9000+ subscribers. Also, am the owner of a rapidly growing blockchain Linkedin. I've been involved in the blockchain stack since 2014 and recently completed the edX hyperledger certification and plan to go through all major blockchain courses offered online in preparation for the new Oxford Blockchain course I am also being considered for Course Manager. My particular area of interest and research is blockchain and AI integration tools and ICOs. I am a technologist and seasoned startup, brand development and rapid go-to-market expert. I look forward to collaborating.

Everymans.ai (Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:26:37 GMT):
Hi All, quick introduction... My name is George Polzer, my expertise is the A.I. technology stack and work as Course Manager for MiT Sloan's new AI Executive Education training program. I am the founder of Everymans.ai consultancy and publish a low-tech A.I. newsletter with 9000+ subscribers. Also, am the owner of a rapidly growing blockchain Linkedin. I've been involved in the blockchain stack since 2014 and recently completed the edX hyperledger certification and plan to go through all major blockchain courses offered online in preparation for the new Oxford Blockchain course I am also being considered for Course Manager. My particular area of interest and research is blockchain and AI integration tools and ICOs. I am a technologist and seasoned startup, brand development and rapid go-to-market expert. I look forward to collaborating.

Everymans.ai (Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:26:37 GMT):
Hi All, quick introduction... My name is George Polzer, my expertise is the A.I. technology stack and work as Course Manager for MiT Sloan's new AI Executive Education training program. I am the founder of Everymans.ai consultancy and publish a low-tech A.I. newsletter with 9000+ subscribers. I am also the owner of a rapidly growing blockchain Linkedin Group. I've been involved in the blockchain stack since 2014 and recently completed the edX Hyperledger certification. I plan to go through all major blockchain courses offered online in preparation for the new Oxford Blockchain course that I am being considered for as Course Manager. My particular area of interest and research is blockchain and AI integration tools and ICOs. I am a technologist and seasoned startup, brand development and rapid go-to-market expert. I will be at the Los Angeles Hyperledger Hackfest Feb. 20th. I look forward to collaborating.

Everymans.ai (Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:26:37 GMT):
Hi All, quick introduction... My name is George Polzer, my expertise is the A.I. technology stack and work as Course Manager for MiT Sloan's new AI Executive Education training program. I am the founder of Everymans.ai consultancy and publish a low-tech A.I. newsletter with 9000+ subscribers. I am also the owner of a rapidly growing blockchain Linkedin Group. I've been involved in the blockchain stack since 2014 and recently completed the edX Hyperledger certification. I plan to go through all major blockchain courses offered online in preparation for the new Oxford Blockchain course that I am being considered for as Course Manager. My particular area of interest and research is 3rd generation blockchain platforms, current AI integration initiatives and related tools and ICOs. I am a technologist and seasoned startup, brand development and rapid go-to-market expert. I will be at the Los Angeles Hyperledger Hackfest Feb. 20th. I look forward to collaborating.

Everymans.ai (Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:43:39 GMT):
@tkuhrt FYI, I have a Gotomeeting account we can use if we need to have workgroup conference / desktop sharing call.

tkuhrt (Tue, 30 Jan 2018 22:12:37 GMT):
@Everymans.ai : Hi, George. Welcome to the community. I will be sending out a Doodle poll shortly to find a time for us to meet. Fortunately, we have Zoom conferencing within Hyperledger so we will use that for meetings.

Everymans.ai (Wed, 31 Jan 2018 00:02:29 GMT):
@tkuhrt Zoom is good. Doodle I have not heard of but it's a lot cheaper than the one I use http://ScheduleOnce.com See you soon.

baohua (Thu, 01 Feb 2018 07:27:36 GMT):
@tkuhrt TWGC is interested to help translate the edx courses into more languages, do you know where to start? @guoger @ylsGit

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Ishee (Fri, 02 Feb 2018 05:31:04 GMT):
From where can I learn to make a web-application using hyperledger from basics?

Everymans.ai (Fri, 02 Feb 2018 15:53:54 GMT):
Hi @Ishee good to meet you online. You probably already know this but Hyperledger is a blockchain Linux Foundation project that supports 5 different blockchain frameworks. Here is a link to Linux Hyperledger certification. There is some programming but a mostly high-level introduction to the different frameworks and underlying features https://www.edx.org/course/blockchain-business-introduction-linuxfoundationx-lfs171x I've completed that certification and it's excellent overview course with some programming. IBM offers a blockchain Fabric course that shows you how to develop Fabric web-applications using Composer - a Hyperledge project also. It also covers business application strategies and an engagement model for deploying selecting and deploying blockchain applications https://www.coursera.org/learn/ibm-blockchain-essentials-for-developers Here are the IBM course related "build your first..." "Writing Your First Application" links https://goo.gl/bc6D7k https://goo.gl/xFg9cG There are many other online blockchain courses but these are good starting points. Lastly, I will be a Subject Matter Expert/Learning Facilitator on Oxford Blockchain Strategy Programme the first programme cohort will start on 28 Februrary 2018, and will run for 6 weeks https://goo.gl/Q3iBC8. It's executive education level program so no web-application development but blockchain implementation business strategy.

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TBigjohn (Mon, 05 Feb 2018 10:10:08 GMT):
I am interested by a High level training on Hyperledger Fabric & Composer. Paris, Bxl, London Luxembourg. please reply with any interesting link.

Everymans.ai (Mon, 05 Feb 2018 18:11:17 GMT):
@TBigjohn Hi TB, see links in above post.

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elias-b9lab (Wed, 07 Feb 2018 15:30:53 GMT):
@Ishee B9lab is also offering an in-depth Hyperledger Fabric developer course. Have a look here: https://academy.b9lab.com/courses/B9lab/current-hyperledger-course

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Everymans.ai (Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:06:55 GMT):
✔ FREELANCER OPPORTUNITY: Need Blockchain - Business Strategist consultant / Subject Matter Expert / Optimize Student Online Learning Experience I am looking for a Blockchain / Business Strategist to join my team for the upcoming Oxford Blockchain course starting Feb. 28th. See https://goo.gl/m29zwf. It requires 10 to 15+ hours a week time commitment. It is remote/virtual work and pays very well. Please complete the form below to indicate your interest, qualifications and provide contact information. Here is a link to a form you can forward if you know someone that might be interested: https://goo.gl/viF7ow

davidwboswell (Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:38:22 GMT):
I'd like to introduce myself -- my name is David Boswell and I recently joined Hyperledger as one of the Directors of Ecosystem. One of the things I'm focused on is helping build a community around Hyperledger training and education efforts. I see that there are many people on the Training and Education channel, although it doesn't look like the group has met yet. I wanted to find a good time for us to have a call to meet each other and talk about our interested and priorities. Can everyone please respond to this Doodle poll and we'll find a good time that works for the group? https://doodle.com/poll/26ww5zfukdkd3vn7 Note that I was picking times that worked well for the US and Europe. Going forward, we can alternate between European-friendly and Asian-friendly time zones if that would help bring more people into discussions.

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Everymans.ai (Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:29:33 GMT):
@davidwboswell Hi David, I responded in Doodle and look forward to discussing interests and priorities. Is anyone going to the Hyperledger Hackfest in Los Angeles next week Feb. 20th?

davidwboswell (Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:58:39 GMT):
If a group of people interested in training and documentation will be there next week, it would be great to meet. I'll be there just for Tuesday and am happy to meet up with anyone who will be there then.

jadhavajay (Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:02:26 GMT):
Hi @davidwboswell, @tkuhrt - I've updated Doodle. Looking forward to meet soon...

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angelsuarez (Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:38 GMT):
Hi @davidwboswell thanks for the initiative. Looking forward to hearing more about this working group. I have a question, what is exactly the purpose of the Google Doc?

angelsuarez (Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:46 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk/edit

davidwboswell (Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:15:14 GMT):
Hi @angelsuarez -- glad to hear you're looking forward to hearing more about the working group. For that doc, my understanding is that it was a first pass at potential projects that the group might tackle -- intended as a way to start gathering ideas that we could then pick from and prioritize. it was created before i joined the project though, so perhaps other people here in the channel have more background on it to share.

tkuhrt (Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:53:10 GMT):
@davidwboswell @angelsuarez : That is exactly what the document is. An place for us to brainstorm ideas for the training and education working group

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angelsuarez (Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:44:02 GMT):
thanks! sounds cool!

angelsuarez (Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:45:12 GMT):
Without having hands-on experience, I can already add a couple of ideas that I would like to explore

tkuhrt (Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:16:06 GMT):
Perfect. Feel free to add suggestions directly to the document, @angelsuarez

davidwboswell (Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:44:12 GMT):
I wanted to follow up with dial-in and agenda information for the Training and Documentation WG kick-off call. * Time: Monday, February 26 at 10-11 pacific * Dial-in online: https://zoom.us/j/536419387 * Or you can dial-in by phone: US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 US (Toll Free): +1 855 880 1246 or +1 877 369 0926 Meeting ID: 536 419 387 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=ZIo8VL4tXTV6wvP5kk8-eyRf5oc9BfDB * Agenda: -- Introductions (who are you and what do you want to get out of participating in this WG?) -- Review of training inventory doc (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk/edit) -- Logistics (WG leadership, next meeting, use of lists and Rocket.Chat channel) Please feel free to suggest ideas for other agenda items.

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angelsuarez (Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:37:18 GMT):
Sounds good to me! I have also received this in the mailing list, thanks! 10-11 is good for me since it's 18-19 in UK time. Good timming :)

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DomingoLiotta (Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:39:13 GMT):
Hello I work at a large private university in Argentina

DomingoLiotta (Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:40:19 GMT):
The WG has materials for decision makers? Beginner level Thanks

DomingoLiotta (Fri, 23 Feb 2018 21:40:47 GMT):
If in Spanish would be wonderful

tkuhrt (Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:18:23 GMT):
Hi, Domingo. The WG has yet to develop any materials, as the first meeting will be on Monday. We would love to have someone who can translate the material into different languages, including Spanish. If you would be interested, we would love to have your contributions. Please feel free to add your ideas to the [training inventory document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk/edit) that the WG should consider creating. Also, please consider joining us on Monday to discuss your ideas.

tkuhrt (Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:18:23 GMT):
Hi, @DomingoLiotta : The WG has yet to develop any materials, as the first meeting will be on Monday. We would love to have someone who can translate the material into different languages, including Spanish. If you would be interested, we would love to have your contributions. Please feel free to add your ideas to the [training inventory document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk/edit) that the WG should consider creating. Also, please consider joining us on Monday to discuss your ideas.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:05:43 GMT):
Hi, @DomingoLiotta At the University of Maastricht I am assisting (as emeritus) in the preparation of educational materials to describe to specific audiences such as management, end users, politicians, blockchain architects or blockchain application developers the conceptual perspective of permissioned blockchain technology, with initial focus on Hyperledger Fabric. We feel this aspect needs priority to make Hyperledger more widely accepted in the community at large. Please feel free to communicate of line to Sjir.nijssen@pna-group-com. I agree with Tracy that having a version in Spanish would be fantastic. In my younger years I visited Spain many times and I love that language. Kind regards Sjir

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:08:50 GMT):
Excuse me the email address is sjir.nijssen@pna-group.com

Everymans.ai (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:29:01 GMT):
@DomingoLiotta @SjirNijssen I am a US resident but my mother tongue is German and will consider translating training material to German or team up with someone. There are some very good "management/conceptual perspective" blockchain online certification courses that I've taken and am on the teaching team for University of Oxfords new Blockchain executive education course (starts March 28th lasts 6 weeks, next course starts May 9th). Based on the curriculum outline and course description it is taught from a business strategy perspective for executives similar to MIT AI: Implication for Business Strategy for which I am the course manager (both courses are designed by same excellent online course design company). The management / business implication perspective is key to correctly educate decision makers on the "what" not "how" of operationalizing disruptive technologies. These top-tier universities' online courses have on the average 700 executive students from around the world attending. I am looking for ways to introduce Hyperledger Fabric to executives as an enterprise blockchain framework example without appearing to "pitch".

Everymans.ai (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:29:01 GMT):
@DomingoLiotta @SjirNijssen I am a US resident but my mother tongue is German and will consider translating training material to German or team up with someone. There are some very good "management/conceptual perspective" blockchain online certification courses that I've taken and am on the teaching team for University of Oxfords new Blockchain executive education course (starts March 28th lasts 6 weeks, next course starts May 9th). Based on the curriculum outline and course description it is taught from a business strategy perspective for executives similar to MIT AI: Implication for Business Strategy for which I am the course manager (both courses are designed by same excellent online course design company). The management/business implication perspective is key to correctly educate decision makers on the "what" not "how" of operationalizing disruptive technologies. These top-tier universities' online courses have on the average 700 executive students from around the world attending. I am looking for ways to introduce Hyperledger Fabric to executives as an enterprise blockchain framework example without appearing to "pitch". By the way, if anyone is interested in exploring combining Blockchain and Artificial Intelligence, I am working on an architecture for integrating machine learning algorithms with DAO to build Intelligent DAO or IDAOs. My email is george@everymans.ai George Polzer

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:55:02 GMT):
Hi George, @Everymans.ai Thanks for your interesting message. I just took a look at the Oxford Blockchain Strategy Programme. It has the following: "When adressing blockchain, programmes or educational materials cater to either a high-level, superficial discussion, or a low-level, granular and deeply technical explanation of blockchain technology." I have to agree, but regret to say so. I therefore are in favour of focussing in our WG entirely on Permissioned Blockchains as supported by Hyperledger Fabric.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:57:46 GMT):
And make a clear distinction between the education and traning materials for senior management, other management, professional end users, blockchain system architects, chaincode developers and system programmers. We may discuss the DAO matter off line. Kind regards Sjir

Everymans.ai (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:02:58 GMT):
@SjirNijssen where did you get that quote? Can you provide the link? I don't understand what that means in relation to Permissioned vs. permissionless blockchain frameworks. That is, designing a blockchain course not to focus on the technical aspect doesn't determine whether you are teaching permissioned or permisionless frameworks. In matter of fact, that distinction is important for executives and managers to understand.

Everymans.ai (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:02:58 GMT):
@SjirNijssen where did you get that quote? Can you provide the link? I don't understand what that means in relation to Permissioned vs. permissionless blockchain frameworks. That is, designing a blockchain course that does not focus on the technical aspect doesn't determine whether you are teaching permissioned or permisionless frameworks. In matter of fact, that distinction is important for executives and managers to understand.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:04:37 GMT):
@Everymans.ai Hi George, you say: " There are some very good "management/conceptual perspective" blockchain online certification courses that I've taken.. " Where can I read more about these very good courses?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:06:32 GMT):
@Everymans.ai Hi George, here https://getsmarter.sbs.ox.ac.uk/oxford-blockchain-strategy-programme-hm-ol/?utm_source=third_party_arrangement&utm_medium=external&utm_campaign=OXF_BCH_OxfordSaidNewsLeads

Everymans.ai (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:08:48 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I went to the URL you provided and cannot find your quote "When adressing blockchain, programmes or educational materials cater to either a high-level, superficial discussion, or a low-level, granular and deeply technical explanation of blockchain technology."

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:10:58 GMT):
@Everymans.ai Hi George, you say: "That is, designing a blockchain course that does not focus on the technical aspect doesn't determine whether you are teaching permissioned or permisionless frameworks. In matter of fact, that distinction is important for executives and managers to understand." In my perspective the user experience is fundamentally different in a permissioned blockchain and therefore I propose we focus on permissioned blockchains. Permissioned is a fundamental aspect of the user experience, in my opinion, working in a trusted environment.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:13:33 GMT):
@Everymans.ai At page 2, When addressing blockchain, programmes or educational materials cater to either a high-level, superficial discussion, or a low-level, granular and deeply technical explanation of blockchain technology. This is a copy paste from the PDF I downloaded.

Everymans.ai (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:16:18 GMT):
@SjirNijssen but don't you think that the permissioned vs. permissionless aspect of a blockchain application is transparent to the end user? Why should users care because it is the IT and business analyst etc. should deal with that part of the design and implementation. Regardless of whether the blockchain is permissioned or permissionless the end user shouldn't know the difference? What am I not seeing?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:18:43 GMT):
@Everymans.ai Hi George, From my perspective I think that a permissioned blockchain is such a different experience as it is trusted and the data are not public. Furthermore with HLF you can apply selectively agreed distributed decision making.

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SjirNijssen (Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:09:47 GMT):
@davidwboswell @tkuhrt Hi all, In the Hyperledger Traning and Education Working Group Charter is stated under the sub heading Process of the Group: "Meetings will be held bi-weekly via teleconference." In the message on the T&D channel David Boswel said: "... we can alternate between European Friendly and Asian-friendly times."

SjirNijssen (Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:15:17 GMT):
If the T&E WG would implement both rules, it would mean that the European Group and Asian Group would only meet once every 4 weeks. In my experience with WGs this frequency is not sufficient for a productive group. I therefore propose to have every two weeks a European-friendly and every two weeks an Asian-friendly telecon, but not in the same week. If some one has a better proposal, please bring it forward. Otherwise I would propose that you use this channel to vote in favour or against this proposal and that saves time in the telecon Monday. Thanks for your attention. Kind regards Sjir

SjirNijssen (Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:51:52 GMT):
@Everymans.ai I see in the E&T doc that you want a reaction to your proposal: "AI & Blockchain integration to build DAO with Intelligence, ie, IDAO. Instead of just having deterministic Smart Contract coded instructions build in machine learning algorithm trained decision models. The AI/ML technology stack is mature and API driven. Combining an intelligent layer with a distributed, decentralized ledger layer is compelling and inevitable. So high level management needs to have a strategic outlook and roadmap for how these 2 new computing layers will work together. So, use AI (more mature than blockchain stack) to introduce blockchain technology and kill 2 birds with one stone. Any thoughts please email george@everymans.ai or tag me in chat.hyperledger.org @everymans.ai" I believe that it would be a good idea to first circulate a working paper to the members of the T & E WG outlining in a few pages that such an approach makes a reasonable chance with high level magagement. In my experiece (79 years old) AI is in the eyes of senior management far from mature; too many promises made in the past that have not come true. Yes, I believe AI is now more mature than 25 years ago, but let us be careful not to oversell it another time. Although I find your proposal very interesting, intellectually challenging and I would personally like to work with you to make a more detailed proposal on that combination, I propose not to have it as number 1 on the list of the T & E WG agenda for Monday. Kind regards

Everymans.ai (Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:46:04 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I didn't mean to make my idea #1 on the agenda. I think David Boswell will determine the agenda. Also, why did you delete and then copy and paste my text into another row with your name associated?! Please don't take credit for my content. I am not sure if you are playing on words with "senior management" vs. management that is senior, 79 years old but I manage MIT's "AI: Implications for Business Strategies" monthly courses and there are on the average 600+ senior management paying $3,000 for a 6 week course because they know an AI roadmap is essential to become a data-driven organization. Besides, AI is too broad of a term to use when instead better is to use advanced analytics/statistical learning and machine learning algorithms which Data Scientist should have a firm grasp on. I am NOT saying that AI is not more mature than 25 years ago, of course it is (now we have more data, GPUs, better algorithms eg, Deep learning), what I AM saying is that the AI technology stack is more mature than Blockchain's and AI has been on the executive's radar for many more years than blockchain. Plus, blockchain has to deal with the negative media misinformation/missunderstanding of the cryptocurrencie debacles and it's relationship to blockchain. AI can be used to shoehorn blockchain into an organization. For example, the immutability of a blockchain provides a great audit trail for enterprises using AI-based BPO/RPA agents. As BPO and RPA move towards more adaptive intelligence processes, we'll see an increased concern about audit trails around what they do and what they learn. I am involved in a couple of AI / Blockchain initiatives and just wanted to share what I think would make a great marriage to get the first-mover advantage and a leg up on the other Blockchain foundations/frameworks which are coming out of the woodworks. Why not kill 2 birds with one stone. I have my Oxford Blockchain onboarding meeting tomorrow and Wed. I will know what the student profiles are of the Blockchain course and the student count. I am also in discussions with another LSM platform who provides online course design services to top-tier universities looking to get involved in developing Blockchain/AI course material.

Everymans.ai (Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:48:28 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I didn't mean to make my idea #1 on the agenda. I think @davidwboswell will determine the agenda. Also, why did you delete and then copy and paste my text into another row with your name associated?! Please don't take credit for my content. I am not sure if you are playing on words with "senior management" vs. management that is senior, 79 years old but I manage MIT's "AI: Implications for Business Strategies" monthly courses and there are on the average 600+ senior management paying $3,000 for a 6 week course because they know an AI roadmap is essential to become a data-driven organization. Besides, AI is too broad of a term to use when instead better is to use advanced analytics/statistical learning and machine learning algorithms which Data Scientist should have a firm grasp on. I am NOT saying that AI is not more mature than 25 years ago, of course it is (now we have more data, GPUs, better algorithms eg, Deep learning), what I AM saying is that the AI technology stack is more mature than Blockchain's and AI has been on the executive's radar for many more years than blockchain. Plus, blockchain has to deal with the negative media misinformation/missunderstanding of the cryptocurrencie debacles and it's relationship to blockchain. AI can be used to shoehorn blockchain into an organization. For example, the immutability of a blockchain provides a great audit trail for enterprises using AI-based BPO/RPA agents. As BPO and RPA move towards more adaptive intelligence processes, we'll see an increased concern about audit trails around what they do and what they learn. I am involved in a couple of AI / Blockchain initiatives and just wanted to share what I think would make a great marriage to get the first-mover advantage and a leg up on the other Blockchain foundations/frameworks which are coming out of the woodworks. Why not kill 2 birds with one stone. I have my Oxford Blockchain onboarding meeting tomorrow and Wed. I will know what the student profiles are of the Blockchain course and the student count. I am also in discussions with another LSM platform who provides online course design services to top-tier universities looking to get involved in developing Blockchain/AI course material.

Everymans.ai (Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:48:28 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I didn't mean to make my idea #1 on the agenda. I think @davidwboswell will determine the agenda. Also, why did you delete and then copy and paste my text into another row with your name associated?! Please don't take credit for my content. I am not sure if you are playing on words with "senior management" vs. management that is senior, you being 79 years old... anyway, I manage MIT's "AI: Implications for Business Strategies" monthly courses and there are on the average 600+ senior management paying $3,000 for a 6 week course because they know an AI roadmap is essential to become a data-driven organization. Besides, AI is too broad of a term to use when instead better is to use advanced analytics/statistical learning and machine learning algorithms which Data Scientist should have a firm grasp on. I am NOT saying that AI is not more mature than 25 years ago, of course it is (now we have more data, GPUs, better algorithms eg, Deep learning), what I AM saying is that the AI technology stack is more mature than Blockchain's and AI has been on the executive's radar for many more years than blockchain. Plus, blockchain has to deal with the negative media misinformation/missunderstanding of the cryptocurrencie debacles and it's relationship to blockchain. AI can be used to shoehorn blockchain into an organization. For example, the immutability of a blockchain provides a great audit trail for enterprises using AI-based BPO/RPA agents. As BPO and RPA move towards more adaptive intelligence processes, we'll see an increased concern about audit trails around what they do and what they learn. I am involved in a couple of AI / Blockchain initiatives and just wanted to share what I think would make a great marriage to get the first-mover advantage and a leg up on the other Blockchain foundations/frameworks which are coming out of the woodworks. Why not kill 2 birds with one stone. I have my Oxford Blockchain onboarding meeting tomorrow and Wed. I will know what the student profiles are of the Blockchain course and the student count. I am also in discussions with another LSM platform who provides online course design services to top-tier universities looking to get involved in developing Blockchain/AI course material.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 25 Feb 2018 19:23:18 GMT):
Hi George, I really don't know why there was a delete and copy paste. I was very surprised and I have no intention to take credit for your content.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 25 Feb 2018 19:24:17 GMT):
Good to read that you say explicitly that the number 1 position has no specific meaning.

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davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:15:38 GMT):
Sending a reminder that the kick-off call for the Training and Documentation Working Group is happening today at 10 pacific. Dial-in information is below: * Dial-in online: https://zoom.us/j/536419387 * Or you can dial-in by phone: US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 US (Toll Free): +1 855 880 1246 or +1 877 369 0926 Meeting ID: 536 419 387 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=ZIo8VL4tXTV6wvP5kk8-eyRf5oc9BfDB

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angelsuarez (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:13:56 GMT):
Hi all, I've just joined the zoom meeting but I am a bit confused because I am not following the conversation..

Everymans.ai (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:14:40 GMT):
@angelsuarez the meeting starts in 40 min

Everymans.ai (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:14:58 GMT):
10am Pacific Time

angelsuarez (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:15:12 GMT):
yeah i know... i was just checking if it works or not

Everymans.ai (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:15:33 GMT):
oh I was confused what you are confused about then

angelsuarez (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:15:43 GMT):
but now there is something else going on..

Everymans.ai (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:15:56 GMT):
going on where?

angelsuarez (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:16:06 GMT):
they are talking about CPanel

angelsuarez (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:16:07 GMT):
...

angelsuarez (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:16:13 GMT):
in the zoom meeting

Everymans.ai (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:16:36 GMT):
well I guess that Zoom account is being used for multiple purposes, what do you think?

angelsuarez (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:17:31 GMT):
oh alright, I thought it was kind of reserved only for this particular purpose

Everymans.ai (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:20:28 GMT):
from confusion to clarity... it is reserved during our Training and Education meeting :-)

angelsuarez (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:24:26 GMT):
okay got it.

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:01:32 GMT):
agenda for today's call: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:02:00 GMT):
The shared Google Drive folder for this working group: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B_NJV6eJXAA1b0h1SldxdmdlTE0

b9lab-damien (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:15:45 GMT):
@davidwboswell -> Hyperledger Fabric introduction for your notes (https://academy.b9lab.com/courses/course-v1:B9lab+HLF-101+2017-11/about) I've just mentioned.

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:16:09 GMT):
great. thanks

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:16:44 GMT):
will add

b9lab-damien (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:22:50 GMT):
@davidwboswell The full 8 weeks Hyperledger Fabric developer course (https://academy.b9lab.com/courses/B9lab/current-hyperledger-course) currently running our 8 cohorts and preparing a Sawtooth developer course and its Free Introduction as we speak.

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:26:25 GMT):
training inventory doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk/edit

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:46:56 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qniy6mIC3t4BD6WWCHAtPsw1ZpK3FHxmtC-uGLTOHkY/edit#

Everymans.ai (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:56:13 GMT):
Oxford Blockchain Course Executive Education https://www.getsmarter.com/courses/uk/oxford-blockchain-strategy-programme

Everymans.ai (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:56:13 GMT):
Oxford Blockchain Course Executive Education https://www.getsmarter.com/courses/uk/oxford-blockchain-strategy-programme https://www.sbs.ox.ac.uk/school/news/school-launches-blockchain-strategy-programme

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:57:35 GMT):
dboswell@linuxfoundation.org -- please reach out to me if you're interested in leading this WG

b9lab-damien (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:00:56 GMT):
you can look to this free Introduction for non-technical: https://academy.b9lab.com/courses/course-v1:B9lab+CTO-FREE-1+2017-12/about we have another version of it (slightly longer) coming soon so we could contribute to non technical items if of interest.

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:02:47 GMT):
mailing list subscription: https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo/hyperledger-training-and-education-wg

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kakuzu (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:04:39 GMT):
hi.

b9lab-damien (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:04:43 GMT):
@davidwboswell @tkuhrt Getting a process to submit content would be important, we use commit to repo ourselves that can be merge or no, do you expect something similar?

b9lab-damien (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:04:43 GMT):
@davidwboswell @tkuhrt Getting a process to submit content would be important. We use commit(s) to repo ourselves, that we choose to merge or not. Do you expect something similar?

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:05:33 GMT):
@b9lab-damien : I agree that we need to talk about content. Github PR's would be best, but also need to figure out format of the content we will produce.\

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:05:33 GMT):
@b9lab-damien : I agree that we need to talk about content. Github PR's would be best, but also need to figure out format of the content we will produce.

b9lab-damien (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:05:47 GMT):
@tkuhrt true

b9lab-damien (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:06:36 GMT):
Should we put that on the Agenda?\

b9lab-damien (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:06:36 GMT):
Should we put that on the Agenda?

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 20:53:58 GMT):
Yes...definitely, @b9lab-damien

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:01:46 GMT):
I added "Process for creating material (what format should we use? Github PR requests?)", please feel free to modify this agenda item to include other thoughts (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit)

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:01:46 GMT):
I added "Process for creating material (what format should we use? Github PR requests?)". Please feel free to modify this agenda item to include other thoughts (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit)

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:48:43 GMT):
Today's meeting recording has been uploaded to: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B_NJV6eJXAA1TlpnbXpsbWw4UHc

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:48:43 GMT):
Today's meeting recording and chat has been uploaded to: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B_NJV6eJXAA1TlpnbXpsbWw4UHc

kakuzu (Mon, 26 Feb 2018 22:12:56 GMT):
thanks :thumbup:

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tkuhrt (Tue, 27 Feb 2018 17:06:43 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=u5f9dYogvRJgwPYzM) @baohua : sorry for my delay in responding. I just got back a response on your question. We can work through one of the EdX Chinese partners (e.g., Tsinghua University). Specifically, we would copy the content to their sandbox, and then the TWGC would be able to translate inline using the online authoring tool. I can connect you via email to the folks within The Linux Foundation training organization, and they can kick off the process. Would that work? @guoger @ylsGit

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baohua (Wed, 28 Feb 2018 00:45:49 GMT):
sounds great to me, @tkuhrt

guoger (Wed, 28 Feb 2018 02:10:05 GMT):
@tkuhrt LGTM! my mail: guojiannan1101@gmail.com China WG definitely could help!

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Everymans.ai (Sat, 03 Mar 2018 18:37:13 GMT):
@davidwboswell @tkuhrt Hi! I've been gone for a while and now wondering what the POSSIBLE NEXT STEPs are to follow up on our last online intro meeting. Below see my thoughts but want to check to make sure I am staying within working group protocol. I also posted this in the Training Inventory Google sheet at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk -------- Hi George Polzer, I would like to lead this AI Blockchain working group. I have started to formulate a charter to form a rocket.chat dedicate AI Blockchain Channel. According to David Boswell that is a requirement to set up a Channel. I have the charter form. I will report progress on chat.hyperledger.org. Any thoughts how to move this forward? If you’d like to set up a time to discuss how you can learn/contribute please feel free to use my online calendar to find a convenient time for a call: http://meetme.so/georgepolzer We can use dial-in / desktop sharing http://gotomeet.me/georgepolzer or tag me in chat.hyperledger.org @everymans.ai FYI, here are the links to the MIT Sloan AI and Oxford Blockchain courses I am managing:

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slavikdmi (Sun, 04 Mar 2018 13:56:33 GMT):
Hello. I'd like to lear about hyperledger, but i can't understand system of your webinars.. is it free for all? where i can see which things will be discussed in next video?

slavikdmi (Sun, 04 Mar 2018 13:57:50 GMT):
And.. are there courses for juniors in hyperledger? for developers. Now i write smart contract in ethereum and i'd like know more about hyperledger

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kakuzu (Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:27:09 GMT):
@Everymans.ai You should setup a community call and discuss

kakuzu (Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:36:22 GMT):
It would be good if we can on-board burrow developer to help us in the training and education as a contributor.Their chat room has only 250 people max because of lack of support for newcomers.

tkuhrt (Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:40:57 GMT):
@Everymans.ai : Are you interested in a separate working group from the training and education working group that would focus on AI and Blockchain?

tkuhrt (Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:41:49 GMT):
If so, you will need to create a new charter and get it approved by the TSC. I am happy to work with you through the process.

Everymans.ai (Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:43:14 GMT):
@tkuhrt yes - definitely. AI blockchain integration will be getting lots of visibility and I would like to help Hyperledger take advantage of this market movement.

tkuhrt (Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:44:23 GMT):
Alright. I will DM you and help you through the process of creating a new working group.

Everymans.ai (Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:44:38 GMT):
perfect

Everymans.ai (Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:48:43 GMT):
FYI, in both the MIT Sloan AI course I manage and the Oxford University course just launched students are asking integration questions. So good time to capitalize and I am being invited to speak at AI conferences proposing AI / Blockchain as my presentation (which I am working on and can be the outline for a education-training course)

tkuhrt (Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:58:43 GMT):
@slavikdmi : We do have a number of webinars that are Hyperledger focused that are free. You can find them here: * https://gateway.on24.com/wcc/gateway/linux/1101876/1617674/hyperledger-sawtooth-v10-market-significance-and-technical-overview * https://gateway.on24.com/wcc/gateway/linux/1101876/1483772/hyperledger-fabric-10-market-significance-and-te * https://gateway.on24.com/wcc/gateway/linux/1101876/1499762/getting-to-know-the-business-blockchain-frameworks We also have the free EdX course that provides an introduction into blockchain and Hyperledger technologies: https://www.edx.org/course/blockchain-business-introduction-linuxfoundationx-lfs171x

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davidwboswell (Thu, 08 Mar 2018 22:55:57 GMT):
Does anyone have anything they'd like to add to the agenda for the next Training and Education WG call happening on Monday at 10 am pacific? I've started on agenda with some follow up items we identified at the kick-off call, including reviewing the training inventory doc to identify where there is a critical mass of people interested in contributing and also some process-related items around how to structure the work and handle leadership of the group. Please feel free to add to or edit the agenda I've started at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit

kakuzu (Thu, 08 Mar 2018 23:19:13 GMT):
looks good. For burrow we can contact silas davis (moderator of burrow channel) he is working on documentation update for burrow so we can build on that without duplication, they also have lots for docs on monax website but some topics are missing we can fill the gap.

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davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:26:18 GMT):
@kakuzu -- contacting silas and letting him know about the WG would be great. thanks.

davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:26:20 GMT):
I wanted to follow up with a reminder that the next Training and Education WG call is today at 10 pacific. Details are below: * Time: Monday, March 12 at 10-11 pacific * Dial-in online: https://zoom.us/j/536419387 * Or you can dial-in by phone: US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 US (Toll Free): +1 855 880 1246 or +1 877 369 0926 Meeting ID: 536 419 387 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=ZIo8VL4tXTV6wvP5kk8-eyRf5oc9BfDB * Agenda and notes:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit Please feel free to suggest ideas for other agenda items.

davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:01:46 GMT):
the WG call is getting start, so please join if you can make it

davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:01:52 GMT):
the agenda and notes are at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit

davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:06:09 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk/edit

davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:06:17 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk/edit

davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:06:36 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKsBDQJKPAl18ecwGyY1ix_N_vaANCQ5H8JICpXnpuk/edit

davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:06:50 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dbfwwcn-QhnpFHxsgs-KraSqDKdNMv1OJrsK3AbQ2fw/edit#gid=0

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davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:48:38 GMT):
https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo/hyperledger-training-and-education-wg

davidwboswell (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:49:08 GMT):
https://lists.hyperledger.org/pipermail/hyperledger-training-and-education-wg/2018-March/000017.html

tkuhrt (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 18:02:25 GMT):
@KellyCooper : https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training - a place to put start the Wiki that covers existing training resources

KellyCooper (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 18:36:10 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=pxKdDQW3omW9hwbhc) @tkuhrt Thanks Tracy.

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kakuzu (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:08:28 GMT):
how can i access

kakuzu (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:09:12 GMT):

Clipboard - March 12, 2018 3:09 PM

tkuhrt (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:37:46 GMT):
New topic that needs to be added to...Just click the edit button to make modifications. There is currently no content (or at least there wasn't when you asked the question).

tkuhrt (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:37:58 GMT):
@kakuzu ^^

KellyCooper (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:41:32 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=htJTi5X6H7F2wFGyQ) @tkuhrt I will start adding content Monday night/Tuesday am. Feel free to add any existing resources here. I'll set up a simple shell that will clearly indicate where to add additional content. Thanks, Kelly

tkuhrt (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:45:06 GMT):
Cool...I appreciate your help, Kelly

KellyCooper (Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:50:12 GMT):
Hi all. I'm interested in leading the training and education work group. I'm a California Community College educator/administrator (full time). I teach code and IoT in the community college system and I teach organizational development in a US graduate school (part time). I started working in open education in 1996 and I offer deep experience in instructional technology. I'm interested in the role because I'm good at getting initial project traction and I love working with transnational learners. I've been through the edX and Coursera courses, have been tooling around with blockchain/smart contracts for a year and my research focus is decentralized organizations that guide/enhance decentralized products. More about me: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly2ds/ Thanks, Kelly

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KellyCooper (Tue, 13 Mar 2018 15:31:58 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=4ZGJbuMn2r2x445e9) @tkuhrt Please review and/or the page. Where would you like submissions to reside? I looked at the other work groups and it seems they link from their wiki to a Google group. I can set up Google Forms or Sheets for ease of entry and later potential sort-to-organize or ? Let me know how you would like to proceed. Thanks, Kelly

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richzhao (Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:16:52 GMT):
Hello everyone, I am interesting in training, and I hope I can help

tkuhrt (Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:24:50 GMT):
Thanks, @KellyCooper. This should be good for people to start adding information to

tkuhrt (Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:53:58 GMT):
Welcome, @richzhao - Check out https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg. It has links to past meeting notes. In addition, it has the inventories at the bottom. The first is what the WG would like to work on. The second is the one that Kelly started and if you know of any existing training material that is good, please add to it.

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caseybecking (Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:41:53 GMT):
Getting my education on using edx and will be looking to help out shortly!

tkuhrt (Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:42:36 GMT):
Welcome

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eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:22:18 GMT):
Hi this is amit from india Hyperledger Researchers as Phd Student,Co-Founder of SIPL www.sai-infratel.com which is partner with IBM,Intel,SOPHOS,Amazon Web services in IT sector...would like yo give my whole dedication for this Hyperledger Research group...about me I am doing Phd from NIT Raipur in CSE Dept., done my Masters in IIIT Pune in IT, & B..E. from RGPV have Industry experience as Apple Product Corporate Trainer, i love ios development also....Group please give your vote to become a leader for Training and education working group and ,,Don't hesitate to reach me for any question. Kindest Regards Amit Kumar Gupta

eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:22:18 GMT):
Hi this is amit from india Hyperledger Researchers as Phd Student and Teaching Assistant,Co-Founder of SIPL Sai Infratel Pvt. Ltd. which is partner with IBM,Intel,SOPHOS,Amazon Web services in IT sector...would like to give my whole dedication for this Hyperledger Research group...about me I am doing Phd from NIT Raipur in CSE Dept., done my Masters in IIIT Pune in IT, & B..E. from RGPV have Industry experience as Apple Product Corporate Trainer, i love ios development also....Group please give your vote to become a leader for Training and education working group and ,Don't hesitate to reach me for any question. Kindest Regards Amit Kumar Gupta

eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:22:18 GMT):
Hi this is amit from india Hyperledger Researchers as Phd Student and Teaching Assistant,Co-Founder of SIPL Company which is partner with IBM,Intel,SOPHOS,Amazon Web services in IT sector...would like to give my whole dedication for this Hyperledger Research group...about me I am doing Phd from NIT Raipur in CSE Dept., done my Masters in IIIT Pune in IT, & B..E. from RGPV have Industry experience as Apple Product Corporate Trainer, i love ios development also....Group please give your vote to become a leader for Training and education working group and ,Don't hesitate to reach me for any question. Kindest Regards Amit Kumar Gupta

eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:27:38 GMT):
aprt from that i have done hyperledger hands in IBM Fabric lab setup and with their tutorial,done training through Hyperledger training module as well as Coursera IBM blockchain,edx Hyperledger course and also intel sawtooth project through Intel partner portal learning module. So hope you guys Vote me for as Leader for thins training and education working group for Hyperledger Group.

eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:27:38 GMT):
apart from that i have done hyperledger hands in IBM Fabric lab setup and with their tutorial,done training through Hyperledger training module as well as Coursera IBM blockchain,edx Hyperledger course and also intel sawtooth project through Intel partner portal learning module. So hope you guys Vote me for as Leader for thins training and education working group for Hyperledger Group.

eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:35:54 GMT):
also about my education i have done Business Management from IIM Banaglore ....

eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:37:14 GMT):
So Group please during nomination please keep these things in mind...and feel free to catch me ..

davidwboswell (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:13:15 GMT):
@eramitg -- thanks for posting your statement here and the list.

davidwboswell (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:13:34 GMT):
@KellyCooper -- thanks for posting your statement here. i'll also share it out on the list so people there can see it too.

kakuzu (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:13:07 GMT):
@eramitg could you pls share your LinkedIn.

eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:20:25 GMT):
https://www.linkedin.com/in/eramitg/

kakuzu (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:28:50 GMT):
thanks

eramitg (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:44:31 GMT):
welcome

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KellyCooper (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:24:32 GMT):
I created a Google Form as an experiment for adding an existing inventory of resources. Let's try using the form so that we can more efficiently manage when we have a larger cache to draw from for our curated or created training. If the Google Form seems to not be a good fit we can try Google Docs. I did try Sheets but readability is not good due to differing sizes of fields. https://goo.gl/forms/SAftT6D9BrKSKwHq1 == Form | https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training == wiki page and sample. Thanks, Kelly

KellyCooper (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:24:32 GMT):
I created a Google Form to experiment with adding an existing inventory of resources. Let's try using the form so we can efficiently manage when we have larger volume for our curated or created training. If the Google Form seems to not be a good fit we can try Google Docs. I did try Sheets but readability was not good due to differing sized fields. https://goo.gl/forms/SAftT6D9BrKSKwHq1 == Form | https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training == wiki page and sample. Thanks, Kelly

KellyCooper (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:24:32 GMT):
I created a Google Form to experiment with adding an existing inventory of resources. Let's try using the form so we can efficiently manage when we have larger volume for our curated or created training. If the Google Form seems to not be a good fit we can try Google Docs. I did try Sheets but readability was not good due to differing sized fields. https://goo.gl/forms/SAftT6D9BrKSKwHq1 == Form && https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training == wiki page and sample.

KellyCooper (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:24:32 GMT):
I created a Google Form to experiment with adding an existing inventory of resources. Let's try using the form so we can efficiently manage a larger volume of curated or created training. If the Google Form does not fit we can try Google Docs. I tried Sheets but readability was not good due to differing field size. https://goo.gl/forms/SAftT6D9BrKSKwHq1 == Form && https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training == wiki page and sample.

KellyCooper (Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:24:32 GMT):
I created a Google Form to experiment with adding an existing inventory of resources. Let's try using the form so we can efficiently manage a larger volume of curated or created training. If the Google Form does not fit, we can use Google Docs. I tried Sheets but readability was not good due to differing field size. https://goo.gl/forms/SAftT6D9BrKSKwHq1 == Form && https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training == wiki page and sample.

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morphatic (Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:13:00 GMT):
Hello all. I introduced myself via the email list, but I'll copy the summary here. I teach web/mobile app dev at James Madison University, in Virginia, USA (2hrs from Washington DC). I have a PhD in information systems, but my research passion is learning and motivation. I occasionally blog about [education](https://burningmindproject.org/) or [other random tech-related things](https://morphatic.com/). You can find me on twitter [@morphatic](https://twitter.com/morphatic), [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/morganbenton/), [google scholar](https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=_7NJHlgAAAAJ), and the [facebook](https://www.facebook.com/morgan.benton). Looking forward to contributing to as well as taking advantage of the great content this group will produce.

morphatic (Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:37:38 GMT):
@tkuhrt are we not allowed to update our profile pictures within this chat? If I click on My Account > Profile, it doesn't allow me to navigate to the screen where I imagine the form for adding/updating profile info lives... Not a big deal, but would be nice... (tried from desktop app, browser, and mobile app environments)

tkuhrt (Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:32:35 GMT):
This was reported on the #general channel as an issue. It was requested that an issue be filed against Rocket.Chat. I am not sure if someone has done that yet, @morphatic

richzhao (Fri, 16 Mar 2018 00:03:53 GMT):
IBM offers two blockchain courses online https://developer.ibm.com/courses/all/ibm-blockchain-foundation-developer/ and https://developer.ibm.com/courses/all/blockchain-essentials/?course=begin#8629 . Inside IBM, IBM Blockchain Foundation Consultant and IBM Blockchain Extended Learning Developer courses are available at IBM Blockchain Acadamy.

richzhao (Fri, 16 Mar 2018 00:09:32 GMT):
I have passed these courses and I organized a few meetups in Shenzhen China to share Fabric to others. The feedback is very good, I am going to share more.

richzhao (Fri, 16 Mar 2018 00:11:04 GMT):
@guoger 's online education of Fabric source code analysis is very good. I love it.

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KellyCooper (Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:52:21 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=7b7DDPSMXiTaWsmBZ) Leadership not amendment: Sjir Nijssen communicated with me last night and we propose to be co-leaders. My focus will be breadth, his will be depth. We will work with you all to organize our group's productivity, priorities and processes. Sjir is currently assisting (as emeritus) at the University of Maastricht (The Netherlands) with a course that combine semantic conceptual modeling and Hyperledger Fabric in a substantial conceptual modeling exercise for 100 Data Science & Knowledge engineering students. More information on Sjir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.M._Nijssen

KellyCooper (Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:52:21 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=7b7DDPSMXiTaWsmBZ) Leadership amendment: Sjir Nijssen communicated with me last night and we propose to be co-leaders. My focus will be breadth, his will be depth. We will work with you all to organize our group's productivity, priorities and processes. Sjir is currently assisting (as emeritus) at the University of Maastricht (The Netherlands) with a course that combine semantic conceptual modeling and Hyperledger Fabric in a substantial conceptual modeling exercise for 100 Data Science & Knowledge engineering students. More information on Sjir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.M._Nijssen

KellyCooper (Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:54:56 GMT):
@davidboswell Please add the leadership amendment that partners Sjir on my vote request. Thanks :)

kakuzu (Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:40:23 GMT):
@KellyCooper I have suggestion can you please update the product or technology to specific like hyperleger fabric, composer or burrow etc and for a target audience, we can add like the beginers, business people, advance.It would be easy for sorting thing out at the end.

davidwboswell (Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:09:22 GMT):
I wanted to send a reminder to the group to let everyone know they have until next Monday at 10 am pacific to submit their nominee statement if they'd like to run for the Training WG lead role. We have 2 submissions so far and would be happy to see more people express interest in leading the group. To submit, please just respond to this list and share more about who you are and why you're interested in the role.

KellyCooper (Mon, 19 Mar 2018 23:53:28 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=wuREennHHzihw7hgJ) @kakuzu Yes. Sjir sent a great starting point on the weekend. I will post his thoughts and a few additional ideas Tuesday.

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jsalvachua (Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:08:24 GMT):
Hello, I am Joaquin Salvachua, profesor titular at Telecomunication Engineering at UPM ( Universidad Politecnica de Madrid). We are interested in getting involved in several things related to Hyperledger, including training in education. We can help with the spanish versions, apart from generate new contents.

tkuhrt (Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:17:53 GMT):
@jsalvachua : Welcome to the working group. Our next meeting is Monday, March 26 @ 10:00AM Pacific time. I hope to see you there.

jsalvachua (Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:19:07 GMT):
will try to be there.

KellyCooper (Tue, 20 Mar 2018 23:53:54 GMT):

ProposedDepth_HLF1.1

KellyCooper (Tue, 20 Mar 2018 23:54:00 GMT):
We have discussed our work in both depth and breadth. Sjir sent correspondence this weekend regarding his recommendation for how we might start depth. I tinkered a bit with his idea and we would like to propose it to the group. ``` ```

KellyCooper (Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:06:28 GMT):
I am drafting several possible approaches, audiences, etc. on Breadth. Today I attended a webinar where for the 20** time I heard about the 'cool' version of blockchain and about the gazillions IoT devices headed our way. I'm open on how we approach breadth; however, I don't want us to be the cliche. I learned nothing from the webinar. When I think of breadth, I think of what is important to the non-developer or early developer audience, business owners, compliance officials; those who are ready to learn, serious in their intent, with limited time and/or high need. This audience may also include tech people in another area. In the past we considered novice users, expert beginners, competent performers and various experts. Does Breadth take our materials up to or through competent performers or do you prefer an entirely different approach? What are your thoughts on audience or topics for Breadth?

KellyCooper (Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:10:24 GMT):
Does anyone think we should put a list together to attend/listen in to some of the other Hyperledger WGs? They might be a great resource advisor for what we curate and create.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 21 Mar 2018 08:53:45 GMT):
I am in support of the proposal that material developed by the T & E WG will by most readers "who are ready to learn, serious in their intent, with limited time and/or high need" be regarded as "learned something solid, useful for my profession and interesting". This is a challenge, I hope the WG will adopt. I propose we develop initially a comprehensive set of concept definitions and specify explicitly for which audience a specific concept definition is a must, for which it is recommended and for which it is not relevant. My current estimate is that we will end up with between 300 and 500 definitions. I support the proposal by Kelly that "breadth takes our material up to and through competent performers". Yes, I believe it would be useful to listen in to some other WG's; however I would prefer to first agree on our goals, quality control procedures and process before we can decide which other WG's to listen in.

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KellyCooper (Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:39:10 GMT):
I also suggest a few volunteers go out and assess the various H installation materials. Note location, completion, effectiveness and recommend if the materials on setting up systems help in developing a mental model of how pieces work together and why. I found that a) do x, b) to know why, here is a link to documentation to be a bit disjointed and overwhelming.

KellyCooper (Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:39:10 GMT):
I also suggest a few volunteers go out and assess the various H installation materials. Note location, completion, effectiveness and recommend if the materials on setting up systems help in developing a mental model of how pieces work together and why. I found that "a) do x, b) to know why, here is a link to documentation" to be a bit disjointed and overwhelming.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 21 Mar 2018 18:45:01 GMT):
+1

LuigiRiva (Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:04:25 GMT):
Hello Everyone, I'm Luigi, computer science engineer with 10+ years experience. I have been working as a solution architect and technical product manager for web and mobile development until Dec 2016. From 2017 I started working as a freelance dedicating a lot of time studying & playing on blockchains (mainly Bitcoin and EVM). Now I am providing services like training, PoC, architectures and consultancy. A couple of months ago I have been involved on an Hyperledger project (fabric + composer) and so I started looking into the Hyperledger offers. In my opinion, Hyperledger could be one of the most important drivers for the worldwide blockchain's adoption. That's why I would be more than happy to join the Hyperldeger community and share some efforts. I thought to start with this group as training and education are one of my favourite fields. So, how can I be useful? :)

KellyCooper (Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:13:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=N6MTnyQi7HeRgcjkH) @LuigiRiva Great to hear of your interest! Our next meeting is Monday, March 26 @ 10:00AM Pacific time. Check out https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg.

KellyCooper (Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:13:50 GMT):
@LuigiRiva Great to hear of your interest! Our next meeting is Monday, March 26 @ 10:00AM Pacific time. Check out https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg.

LuigiRiva (Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:28:32 GMT):
:thumbsup:

SjirNijssen (Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:37:58 GMT):
Wrt the file uploaded by Kelly yesterday, my ranking is as follows:

SjirNijssen (Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:38:28 GMT):
How would you rank the HLF Peers topic for the following actors (1 = low importance; 2 = important for this group to start work on; 3 = priority for this working group) Actor group Rank End users of the client app 2 Developers of the client app 3 Developers of the chaincode 3 Channel administrators 2 Organization administrators 2 Network designers 3 Blockchain system architects 3

SjirNijssen (Sat, 24 Mar 2018 11:05:41 GMT):
Below is the type of question that the material to be developed by the T&E WG should clearly answer, is my proposal. Van: hyperledger-fabric-bounces@lists.hyperledger.org [mailto:hyperledger-fabric-bounces@lists.hyperledger.org] Namens Robert P. J. Day Verzonden: zaterdag 24 maart 2018 11:25 Aan: Hyperledger Fabric discussion list Onderwerp: [Hyperledger-fabric] can you reconfigure/limit channel data after the fact? (not sure if this is something explained in the docs i haven't got to yet but here goes.) i audited LF's hyperledger course and, in the middle of that, i started to wonder about one of the examples. we had fisherman sarah, who caught tuna and sold them to a number of clients. now imagine that sarah and her clients have established their own channel, where they can all see sarah's catch, how much she sells to each client, and the common price she charges all of them. so, initially, her price to each of her clients is exactly the same so she has no problem with that data being part of that channel that everyone is allowed to see. after a while, sarah decides to give one of her clients (miriam) a discount, and would rather not have everyone else know about that. how would that be done, if it's even possible? until then, the price that sarah was charging was visible to everyone on the channel. if sarah suddenly wants to change that price for a single client, what has to happen? would the existing channel have to be reconfigured? partitioned? rebuilt from scratch? and it's not clear that would even solve the problem since, all of a sudden, all of sarah's *other* clients would notice that they can't see her sale price to miriam anymore (or perhaps not see her sale price at all), so they might suspect *something* was up. in general, then, once you establish a channel and it runs for a while, how hard is it to reconfigure what members of that channel are allowed to see? rday _______________________________________________ Hyperledger-fabric mailing list Hyperledger-fabric@lists.hyperledger.org https://lists.hyperledger.org/mailman/listinfo/hyperledger-fabric

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DigitalChangeGeek (Mon, 26 Mar 2018 12:08:10 GMT):
Hello Luigi - I would like to discuss further your service being offered? How do we connect? Thanks

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:17:19 GMT):
I wanted to follow up with a reminder that the next Training and Education WG call is today at 10 pacific. Details are below: * Time: Monday, March 26 at 10-11 pacific * Dial-in online: https://zoom.us/j/536419387 * Or you can dial-in by phone: US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 US (Toll Free): +1 855 880 1246 or +1 877 369 0926 Meeting ID: 536 419 387 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference ?m=ZIo8VL4tXTV6wvP5kk8-eyRf5oc9BfDB * Agenda and notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit Please feel free to suggest ideas for other agenda items.

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Mar 2018 16:09:05 GMT):
@KellyCooper and @SjirNijssen -- for the Training WG call today, could you please update the agenda and add details and any relevant links for the topics you'd like to cover? For instance, the depth discussion you brought up earlier would be great to cover on the call today. The agenda doc is at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Mar 2018 16:32:26 GMT):
@KellyCooper : We could draw a line between breadth and depth, as cross-project vs. project-specific. However, there is also the breadth vs. depth question at a project level. In this case, I would say that most of our breadth of material could be used regardless of framework (e.g., Sawtooth, Fabric, etc.); whereas, the depth would still be project-specific. [ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=gG48AXGSreDjaC8f8)

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Mar 2018 16:37:43 GMT):
According to this page, there is a who command: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20extract%20%28export%29%20a%20list%20of%20my%20list%27s%20members%20%28subscribers%29%3F

tkuhrt (Mon, 26 Mar 2018 16:37:50 GMT):
was looking to get help on it.

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:01:14 GMT):
agenda for our call: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit

davidwboswell (Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:03:27 GMT):
@KellyCooper -- are you able to dial in to the WG call today?

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KellyCooper (Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:53:14 GMT):
@tkuhrt In email exchange with Ulysses, he can't access the Google Drive documents at work due to his firewall. Should we have a directory on GitHub to serve as a T&E workgroup archive?

tkuhrt (Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:20:38 GMT):
@KellyCooper : Whichever option works best for the working group participants. We always have the Wiki as well. Do others want to weigh in on their preference?

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punit 4 (Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:25:20 GMT):
Hello I'm Punit Agarwal, a 21 year old open-source contributor and a blockchain enthusiast. I am currently pursuing my undergraduate studies at Computer Science Engineering Department of The LNM Institute of Information Technology, India. I have been in programming for 4 years now. I started out with C/C++ in my intermediate studies and moved ahead to try my hand at JavaScript and Go. I have a knowledge on Hyperledger frameworks like Hyperledger Fabric and Hyperledger Composer. I have earned IBM badges for IBM Blockchain Foundation Developer and IBM Blockchain Essentials courses. I successfully completed the blockchain course on EdX, by The Linux Foundation.

tkuhrt (Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:10:24 GMT):
Welcome, @punit 4

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KellyCooper (Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:16:25 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=i3ftT6GH8uF5ytGmP) @punit 4 - here is our wiki page with a few links to explore: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training

SjirNijssen (Fri, 30 Mar 2018 07:34:02 GMT):
With respect to the Visual Dictionary I propose that we include for every concept and term the startdatetime of validity and if known the finishdatetime. Furthermore we need to have a provision for synonyms in the same context. E.g. there are in the latest Glossary (under development) of Hyperledger Fabric two terms that are synonym, member and organization. It is a excellent idea to have the connection with terms in another context that have the same or a different meaning. Once the WG agrees on which facts about concepts, terms, synonyms and context are relevant, I recommend we discuss the Visual representation perspective.

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SjirNijssen (Mon, 02 Apr 2018 09:26:30 GMT):
Wrt The OEI Course Design Rubric I propose that we add as first objective the course objective before we agree on Unit-level objectives, and explicitly describe for which audience the course is most appropriate. In the case of the HL T&E WG my proposal is to describe in crystal clear language with illustrating and convincing examples which functionalities of Hyperledger Fabric and Hyperledger Sawtooth are of interest to end users (consumers), business or government. If required let us specialize for the last three categories. I look forward to reactions.

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rdmross (Mon, 02 Apr 2018 16:08:11 GMT):
I received some information that will be helpful to our group. Rich Block, who is leading the Seattle Hyperledger meetup did a really great survey about what subjects about Blockchain and Hyperledger would be popular. I believe this survey will positively influence our priorities and direction when we produce learning material. Poll results are located here (PDF): https://goo.gl/P4W6i6

SjirNijssen (Mon, 02 Apr 2018 17:44:17 GMT):
Thanks for this useful info. The Seattle group is also most interested in Fabric and Sawtooth, a practically relevant observation for our group.

KellyCooper (Mon, 02 Apr 2018 19:07:49 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=HGv86LRoPKHTNDYHu) @SjirNijssen We can begin with the Glossary Morgan shared from edX and the particular priorities everyone elects to work on.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 02 Apr 2018 20:47:57 GMT):
@KellyCooper I try to find the Glossary of Morgan, but I failed. Can you give a reference or mail it as attachment? Thanks

tkuhrt (Mon, 02 Apr 2018 21:11:19 GMT):
@SjirNijssen : I think it was this edX glossary: https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2017/6c82a18df6994ffca695cabb2a44ce72/

SjirNijssen (Mon, 02 Apr 2018 21:18:42 GMT):
@tkuhrt Tracy, Thanks

tkuhrt (Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:38:23 GMT):
As a quick reminder, if you haven't voted for the new Training and Education working group chair, please do so. If you were a member of the mailing list as of Monday, March 26 at 9:30 AM PT, you should have received an email from the Condorcet Internet Voting Service with a unique URL to make your selection. You can search for the email sent from civs@cs.cornell.edu. Voting ends at 9:00 AM PT April 9th.

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KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:19:45 GMT):
Another quick reminder: Please take a moment to list your name in Column D - Priorities. The 1-3 items you are interested in developing/writing/creating first. Google Sheets Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dbfwwcn-QhnpFHxsgs-KraSqDKdNMv1OJrsK3AbQ2fw/edit#gid=0

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:21:13 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=gAdggSCrm7ntX52m9) @tkuhrt Thanks Tracy. I'm wondering where the best place is to develop the dictionary? GitHub - a Dictionary Repository. Wiki - would we receive access to create new files? Any other ideas?

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:21:48 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=tMCkSJGRQdrbW5cX7) @SjirNijssen Thanks Sjir, I was on the road yesterday and offline.

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:31:53 GMT):
@tkuhrt I'd like to move a couple of documents I created into the working group Google Drive Documents folder. Can you give me access to do so? I have read/only rights.

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:34:31 GMT):
@tkuhrt I'd like to move a couple of documents I created into the working group Google Drive Documents folder. Can you give me access to do so? I have read/only rights.

tkuhrt (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:03:02 GMT):
@KellyCooper : Wiki is open to edit from anyone who has a Linux Foundation ID. Also, can you DM me your email address so I can give you access to Google Drive folder

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:06:26 GMT):
@tkuhrt

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:09:21 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=5r4Fn4aaH9ER9i3ba) @tkuhrt THank you.

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:09:21 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=5r4Fn4aaH9ER9i3ba) @tkuhrt Thank you.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:31:32 GMT):
@KellyCooper My preference would be to put in the coming months the priority on the quality of the Visual Dictionary. I see quite often that the use of Github consumes quite some energy. Once we have a reasonable number of concept definitions, that describe the essential concepts of HLF and their connections in an understandable and coherent way, with enough illustrating examples, I think we then can worry about Github or any other solution. Regards Sjir

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:33:37 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=SaGctFaQNsoNg4Tgo) @SjirNijssen I will create some wiki examples because it helps to visualize from the start so we can make adjustments to the process all along. Thanks. :)

SjirNijssen (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:35:28 GMT):
@KellyCooper I forgot to say that a wiki could help with this first phase. Regards Sjir

SjirNijssen (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:49:04 GMT):
@KellyCooper Let me give an illustrating example. If I look at the edX glossary, I see: Block - A set of transactions that are bundled together and added to the chain at the same time. This definition lacks some very fundamental aspects of a block in HLF. They are currently included in the new (in statu nascendi) version of the topic Ledger. So let us reuse as much as possble from the HLF documentation but give priority to quality, is my proposal.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 20:00:47 GMT):
@KellyCooper I would also like to propose that we illustrate the concept definitions with clarifying examples. Let me give another example from the edX Glossary: Key/Value Pair - It consists of two parts, one designated as a 'key', and another as a 'value'. The 'key' is an identifier that allows you to look up the 'value'. The 'value' is the data that is stored for a given 'key'. Suppose we have a group of things called CAR. Suppose a specific CAR is identified by CAR0. An example of a key value pair is >. In natural language: the car identified with the key CAR0 has the color blue>. If this would be part of the World State, I would have said: the car identified with the key CAR0 has currently the color blue>. The value can also be an ordered set of attributes-value pairs, such as key=CAR0, value = .

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 20:08:04 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ezTdumYFrwxtWpgDF) @SjirNijssen Y. The edX glossary was intended as a first set of terms to start with. Please feel free to select a few and create a wiki. A few of us can do the same then assess for workability and layout. Thanks!

KellyCooper (Wed, 04 Apr 2018 20:08:04 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Di6oN5gZrTxrjE692) @eramitg Thanks Amit. Feel free to refer to the Potential Work Group Tasks worksheet for ideas: https://goo.gl/yddSGM and add your interest to the 9-22 April Sprint worksheet: https://goo.gl/sYyDQn

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davidwboswell (Fri, 06 Apr 2018 17:12:35 GMT):
Here are the details for the next Training and Education WG call: * Time: Monday, April 9 at 10-11 pacific * Dial-in online: https://zoom.us/j/536419387 * Or you can dial-in by phone: US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 US (Toll Free): +1 855 880 1246 or +1 877 369 0926 Meeting ID: 536 419 387 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=ZIo8VL4tXTV6wvP5kk8-eyRf5oc9BfDB * Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit Please feel free to suggest ideas for other agenda items.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 07 Apr 2018 06:38:56 GMT):
@davidwboswell Hi David, Can you please add an item on the agenda under Visual Dictionary ToC called Visual Vocabulary. I seem to miss the permission to update. Thanks for your help.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 07 Apr 2018 06:51:12 GMT):
@davidwboswell David, could you please add the following to the item: How Visual Vocabulary is used in practice, see http://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ledger/ledger.html Thanks

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davidwboswell (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:59:43 GMT):
@SjirNijssen -- thanks for pointing out there was a permission issue with the agenda doc -- i just fixed that and now anyone should be able to edit and add things.

davidwboswell (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:00:09 GMT):
and i did add what you suggested about the visual vocabulary. feel free to change what i put there.

LuigiRiva (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:50:18 GMT):
I cannot access the agenda doc of the current meeting...sharing permission issue...

davidwboswell (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:03:00 GMT):
agenda for our call today: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit

LuigiRiva (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:10:32 GMT):
@davidwboswell, sorry, I'm still not able to access the agenda..it keeps asking me to ask for permissions :)

davidwboswell (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:11:35 GMT):
@LuigiRiva -- try now. i may not have had the permissions setting correct, but it is saying everyone has edit access now.

LuigiRiva (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:12:10 GMT):
@davidwboswell now works. Thanks

davidwboswell (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:12:29 GMT):
Great.

davidwboswell (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:25:42 GMT):
a good index: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training

davidwboswell (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:42:39 GMT):
info about how people can contribute to the training WG at: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg#how_to_get_involved

tkuhrt (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:43:07 GMT):
From Imre Kocsis: [Teaching Blockchains - providing a map to explore the jungle](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cIuv8zHJTSutpAM6tpK2rHJI-nNTjZm4/view)

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davidwboswell (Mon, 09 Apr 2018 17:54:16 GMT):
Please fill out priority list at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dbfwwcn-QhnpFHxsgs-KraSqDKdNMv1OJrsK3AbQ2fw/edit#gid=0

eramitg (Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:38:33 GMT):
Hi Folks , I am an Phd Candidate in www.nitrr.ac.in my Linkedind Profile is https://www.linkedin.com/in/eramitg/ for sake of earning an Phd Degree i was proposed Blockchain Technology research work area to my guide so oom I request all of you gyus ,please guide me and assign me some research oriented task so that we mutullay benifited research related to Hyperledger Umbrella Project , All of you feel free to catch me on twitter or skype to https://twitter.com/eramitg1 or amitg.iitb skype id also in Zoom to in Zoom ID 3649222703 or whatsapp +917773011100 Regards

eramitg (Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:38:33 GMT):
Hi Folks , I am an Phd Candidate in www.nitrr.ac.in my Linkedind Profile is https://www.linkedin.com/in/eramitg/ for sake of earning an Phd Degree i was proposed Blockchain Technology research work area to my guide so I request all of you guys ,please guide me and assign me some research oriented task so that we mutually benefited research related to Hyperledger Umbrella Project , All of you feel free to catch me on twitter or skype to https://twitter.com/eramitg1 or amitg.iitb skype id also in Zoom to in Zoom ID 3649222703 or whatsapp +917773011100 Regards Amit

KellyCooper (Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:06:05 GMT):
Hi all. For the sake of simplicity and getting started, I created a shared worksheet where you can add what you will work on between now and our next meeting. https://goo.gl/sYyDQn Feel free to refer to the Potential Work Group Tasks worksheet for ideas. https://goo.gl/yddSGM

KellyCooper (Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:06:41 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Di6oN5gZrTxrjE692) @eramitg Thanks Amit. Feel free to refer to the Potential Work Group Tasks worksheet for ideas: https://goo.gl/yddSGM and add your interest to the 9-22 April Sprint worksheet: https://goo.gl/sYyDQn

eramitg (Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:07:34 GMT):
Thanks @KellyCooper ,for this great help

KellyCooper (Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:43:50 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=8Xup8pXEkjwTd84ca) @eramitg More info here too: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training

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eramitg (Thu, 12 Apr 2018 22:07:51 GMT):
Any one in Group who is intresed to learn Blockchain Fundamentals they are most welcome in our webinar and meetup session which i am going to conduct in https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Raipur/ using this link

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SjirNijssen (Tue, 17 Apr 2018 06:57:15 GMT):
@davidwboswell @tkuhrt @KellyCooper I wanted to send this to all people that have subscribed; In the fabric-documentation channel Varun Ray wrote yesterday: "It's a very long learning curve for anyone who jumps in without prior knowledge in blockchain architecture." Kim Letkeman wrote this morning on the hyperledger lists: "There is a significant learning curve before you get to minutia like which database you should plug in." I hope the Training and Education WG translates this in a challenge. My proposed solution: let us produce integrated learning materials where fields, concepts definitions, integrity rules, derivation rules and events are fully integrated and where possible, use visual vocabulary for communication productivity reasons, inluding scenario testing. If some has a better proposal, please let us know. Sjir The message I got was: all in this room is not allowed. Could anybody explain the good reason why this is not allowed? And how can I send a message to the persons that have attended any of the 4 telecons? Sjir

davidwboswell (Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:32:01 GMT):
@SjirNijssen -- to reach the people who have been to the last teleconferences, i would recommend posting to the training mailing list. there are over 150 people subscribed there.

SjirNijssen (Tue, 17 Apr 2018 16:21:39 GMT):
@davidwboswell @KellyCooper @tkuhrt David, Thanks for the answer. I thought I did that when I selected the option: all. The system then said: I will not communicate this message to others, it is only visible to you. So my interpretation was I tried to post to the training mailist list, but apparently I do lack that permission, or do you have another interpretation?

davidwboswell (Tue, 17 Apr 2018 16:23:34 GMT):
@SjirNijssen -- the all command in chat is different from the mailing list. That command gives a notification to everyone in a channel and I think was turned off to avoid spamming people -- you can send send a notification to people by including their handle in a post. for the mailing list, you can send to that by emailing hyperledger-training-and-education-wg@lists.hyperledger.org

SjirNijssen (Tue, 17 Apr 2018 16:25:19 GMT):
@davidwboswell @KellyCooper Thanks David for your help.

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morphatic (Sat, 21 Apr 2018 21:31:14 GMT):
Hello everyone. I'll be at the IoT Conference in Malmö, Sweden this coming week (https://www.iotconf.se/). Will anyone else be there who would like to get together? Alternatively, is there anything I could do to help out this group while I'm there, e.g. advertising/recruiting?

morphatic (Sat, 21 Apr 2018 21:35:26 GMT):
FYI, "morphatic" is Morgan Benton. Will we ever get permission to update our profiles on Rocket Chat? When I click on the My Account > Profile link, it is unresponsive. It would be helpful to be able to give myself a more recognizable profile... :slight_smile:

KellyCooper (Sat, 21 Apr 2018 23:09:44 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=6na5gmq9dqF9qEdn9) @morphatic Hi Morgan. Perhaps benchmark what they're saying to what we have discussed to validate if we are generally on the right track or might alter our focus?

KellyCooper (Sat, 21 Apr 2018 23:11:08 GMT):
@tkuhrt, any update on the locked profiles?

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tkuhrt (Mon, 23 Apr 2018 17:01:32 GMT):
@KellyCooper : I have not seen anything yet. You can always ask on #rocketchat-chat for an update

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@kelly please send me an email with the new room pls

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tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 16:53:56 GMT):
As I reminder, today's meting details: Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Or iPhone one-tap : US: +16465588656,,4034983298# or +16699006833,,4034983298# Or Telephone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 855 880 1246 (Toll Free) or +1 877 369 0926 (Toll Free) Meeting ID: 403 498 3298 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/bAaJoyznp

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chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:05:51 GMT):
Hi All - first timer, trying to join the Working Group

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:06:49 GMT):
@chart01 : Welcome

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:07:48 GMT):
I seem to have conflicting info tho... the Wiki says Mondays @ 10AM, but I had other info that said Mondays at 5pm

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:08:08 GMT):
You can see meeting minutes from this morning's meeting here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:08:10 GMT):
Have joined Zoom & the conf call... but nobody there

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:08:27 GMT):
oh... ok so it IS Mondays at 10AM Pacific

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:08:33 GMT):
The community calendar is in UTC time. You will have to change it to reflect your timezone. The meetings are at 10AM Pacific time

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:08:38 GMT):
darn

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:08:47 GMT):
:)

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:08:57 GMT):
thanks, I guess I'll join the call next Mon

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:09:21 GMT):
Since you have an hour now, you might want to listen to the recording of this morning's call, which you can find in: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B_NJV6eJXAA1TlpnbXpsbWw4UHc

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:10:28 GMT):
The group meets on a bi-weekly basis so next meeting will be the 21st

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:11:13 GMT):
Good idea, thanks!

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:11:50 GMT):
Could you give me a sneak peek of any areas that are particularly in need of help, where I could focus some effort?

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:13:32 GMT):
https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg#ongoing_efforts has some thoughts. There were a couple of asks in today's meeting too that are not yet reflected in the Wiki yet.

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:22:04 GMT):
Thanks, Tracy!

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:31:29 GMT):
Tracy - the Hyperledger Community Meetings calendar has this meeting occuring @ 5pm

chart01 (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:31:45 GMT):
That's where I got my 'conflicting info'.

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:39:55 GMT):
In the link for the Community calendar, change UTC to reflect your time zone: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=linuxfoundation.org_nf9u64g9k9rvd9f8vp4vur23b0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=UTC So you could change `ctz=UTZ` in the link to `ctz=US/Pacific` if you are on pacific time.

tkuhrt (Mon, 07 May 2018 23:39:55 GMT):
In the link for the Community calendar, change UTC to reflect your time zone: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=linuxfoundation.org_nf9u64g9k9rvd9f8vp4vur23b0%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=UTC So you could change `ctz=UTC` in the link to `ctz=US/Pacific` if you are on pacific time.

chart01 (Tue, 08 May 2018 00:28:24 GMT):
Ah thanks. I can make some pretty Professional videos

chart01 (Tue, 08 May 2018 00:29:10 GMT):
If you want a 'talking head' I could give a hand.

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davidwboswell (Tue, 08 May 2018 21:36:43 GMT):
@chart01 -- thanks for offering to work on some videos. i'll share that with the Training and Education Work Group leads and ask them to follow up with you about next steps.

KellyCooper (Tue, 08 May 2018 22:15:27 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=TQzjGqaG2cXxY95nm) @chart01 We talked briefly in our meeting Monday regarding 'evergreen' videos. And finding a way to simplify editing to remain current. We can talk here or via email regarding topics, getting started, etc. Appreciate the offer!! Kelly

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chart01 (Thu, 10 May 2018 00:29:05 GMT):
Sounds good. IMO talking head vids may not be the best just due to how quickly things change. I expect that there will be continuous need to update them. But if that's the direction we want to go then I'm happy to help.

KellyCooper (Thu, 10 May 2018 14:15:54 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=dmix3dYXJasS4pwc6) @chart01 We have a small sidebar email conversation going on regarding building a course; a series of materials that can be used in any course, depending on target audience. I'll switch that conversation over to our list and to this channel (later today). At this point 1-2 minute conceptual videos that are evergreen will help a lot. Yes, with the edX course, current videos have posed a challenge in this quickly changing landscape. How would you like to proceed. Shall we write up scripts? My question is how do you like to work so we can best get you what you need? Thanks!

KellyCooper (Thu, 10 May 2018 14:15:54 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=dmix3dYXJasS4pwc6) @chart01 We have a small sidebar email conversation going on regarding building a course; a series of materials that can be used in any course, depending on target audience. I'll switch that conversation over to our list and to this channel (later today). At this point 1-2 minute conceptual videos that are evergreen will help a lot. Yes, with the edX course, current videos have posed a challenge in this quickly changing landscape. How would you like to proceed? Shall we write scripts? How do you like to work so we can best get you or collaborate with you on what you need? Thanks!

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chart01 (Mon, 14 May 2018 15:48:49 GMT):
@KellyCooper Lets start with 1 video to see how it goes. Yes, I'd need a script. I'm not sure on who would be the talking head...

KellyCooper (Mon, 14 May 2018 15:56:14 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=PFru7XkmLkTQRGBpx) @chart01 Can we do graphics with no talking head? So that we can update without resetting the same individual?

chart01 (Mon, 14 May 2018 15:59:30 GMT):
That's probably a better way to go.... but that can take a lot more time. I'm much more proficient with shooting people than animating.

chart01 (Mon, 14 May 2018 16:00:19 GMT):
Could we just animate a PPT or Prezi?

chart01 (Mon, 14 May 2018 16:00:36 GMT):
I don't think I cold deliver on animations

chart01 (Mon, 14 May 2018 16:00:41 GMT):
could*

KellyCooper (Mon, 14 May 2018 16:07:59 GMT):
I can create an animation, PPT or Prezi. The issue is time. Finding someone who is ready to write a script or create a PPT etc. I will post in the listserv to see who may be ready to participate. Thanks.

chart01 (Mon, 14 May 2018 16:37:46 GMT):
I can do the PPT

chart01 (Mon, 14 May 2018 16:41:50 GMT):
... or help with it

KellyCooper (Mon, 14 May 2018 18:04:20 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=JkuMwQtqNuQrkEWnH) @chart01 are you on the listserv?

chart01 (Mon, 14 May 2018 19:54:12 GMT):
@KellyCooper No, where do I join?

SjirNijssen (Mon, 14 May 2018 21:17:47 GMT):
@KellyCooper @chart01 In my opinion the main questions are: targeted at which audience? Don't forget there is hardly any material for managers (decision makers), blockchain architects, client application developers or application chaincode developers. Hence I would recommend to select an audience and my preference would be first the managers and thereafter the blockchain architects and thereafter the third and fourth mentioned. Second question is: what is for that audience the best animated PPT? My experience with fabric is the lifecycle of the client application transaction. Third suggestion: do at the same time for Fabric and Sawtooth.

KellyCooper (Mon, 14 May 2018 21:21:35 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=fB9wu8Av2Gg2Gzm3t) @chart01 https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg

richzhao (Tue, 15 May 2018 13:51:29 GMT):
@SjirNijssen yes, you pointed out an import thing for us to consider

richzhao (Tue, 15 May 2018 14:09:26 GMT):
we should a meeting to discuss

chart01 (Tue, 15 May 2018 15:55:00 GMT):
@KellyCooper I'm now on the listserv

KellyCooper (Tue, 15 May 2018 15:58:11 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=fPJvswp9kbpFFnnxG) @chart01 Great, do you see the Monday Update email I posted yesterday?

chart01 (Tue, 15 May 2018 16:01:02 GMT):
I do

chart01 (Tue, 15 May 2018 16:01:02 GMT):
@KellyCooper I do

SjirNijssen (Tue, 15 May 2018 19:36:13 GMT):
@richzhao Do you propose an extra meeting? Goals, participants? I believe that giving more attention to decision makers and architects will help Hyperledger significantly.

richzhao (Tue, 15 May 2018 23:22:55 GMT):
no, I meant we discuss it on our the WG meeting. Sorrry for time different. I am in Shenzhen China, UTC + 8

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brockhager (Sun, 20 May 2018 19:53:22 GMT):
Hello. I would like to be included in any training that is available. Thank you

SjirNijssen (Sun, 20 May 2018 20:02:09 GMT):
@brockhager My recommendation: start with the folllowing two topics in the Conceptual section of the Documentation: Ledger, Peers

brockhager (Sun, 20 May 2018 20:02:38 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=R5oDf8B2inbu5qCGz) @SjirNijssen Thank you! Watching youtube and looking through wiki now

brockhager (Sun, 20 May 2018 20:02:55 GMT):
If peers is similar to bitcoin, then I am familiar

SjirNijssen (Sun, 20 May 2018 20:06:24 GMT):
@brockhager The peers in Fabric are very different from the peers in Bitcoin.

brockhager (Sun, 20 May 2018 20:07:11 GMT):
ok

brockhager (Sun, 20 May 2018 20:07:11 GMT):
ok - do you care to elaborate?

SjirNijssen (Sun, 20 May 2018 20:10:06 GMT):
@brockhager I repeat my recommendation: Read first the ledger topic and thereafter the Peers topic of the Conceptual part of the official documentation of Fabric. I am happy to answer questions on these topics.

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richzhao (Mon, 21 May 2018 17:28:14 GMT):
the udpated training content, I updated on the meeting just now

richzhao (Mon, 21 May 2018 17:28:15 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/127-lDqfaz3eyl97-js-2t0o0uxdPjaovUGm1LsjYzW0/edit?usp=sharing

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chart01 (Mon, 21 May 2018 17:59:23 GMT):
@SjirNijssen email:colindhart@gmail.com

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roleybrown (Tue, 22 May 2018 04:51:44 GMT):
Good Morning, what are the requirements to get involved and contribute to the training and education workgroup? Fairly new to Hyperledger, set up frameworks on Ubuntu and completed Edx course, Any advice on next steps? Thanks, Roland

SjirNijssen (Tue, 22 May 2018 08:36:18 GMT):
@roleybrown My recommendation: Read first the Ledger topic and thereafter the Peers topic of the Conceptual part of the official documentation of Fabric 1.1. I am happy to answer questions on these topics.

roleybrown (Tue, 22 May 2018 09:08:51 GMT):
Thank You @SjirNijssen , much appreciated.

KellyCooper (Tue, 22 May 2018 14:21:17 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=pKif3hAZ3GpjAQzyr) @roleybrown Thanks for volunteering! https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg is our general information wiki page. On this page you will see information related to current projects, GDocs meeting minutes, etc. We meet at 10:00 am PST every other Monday, 21 May was our last meeting. Our next meeting is 2 July. In addition to Rocketchat, we keep in touch via a mailing list, also noted on the wiki page. Take a look and feel free to ask any questions. Thanks, Kelly

KellyCooper (Tue, 22 May 2018 14:23:42 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=GW8rNwPzsDm2tHzo5) @brockhager Great! Please see our wiki page with links to our mailing list, GDocs, and a few examples of works in progress. We also encourage you to consider participating in the edX discussion forum. If you have not viewed the edX course, feel free to sign up (free) and check out the forum. Our next meeting is 2 July at 10:00 am PST. Please sign up for the mailing list. I will check back in here if you have additional questions. Thanks, Kelly

Tatsiana (Tue, 22 May 2018 15:17:55 GMT):
Hi all! I’m gathering groups of trainees for Hyperledger Fabric training course. It’s a 3-day offline class available in SF, NYC, London and other locations. You will get personal attention of an experienced trainer and become fully armed to build blockchain applications of any complexity on your own. The course focuses on step-by-step network deployment using the toolkit designed by Altoros’s engineering team; adding organizations on the go, installing and instantiating the chaincode. We can cover both local and multi-server deployment mode at the training. Here you can find program & schedule: https://www.altoros.com/course/blockchain-hyperledger/advanced-training-hyperledger-fabric-3-days.html

tkuhrt (Tue, 22 May 2018 15:31:56 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=3M6gZLDBDPQKRjTf9) @KellyCooper Assuming you meant June 4th is the next meeting.

tkuhrt (Tue, 22 May 2018 15:35:01 GMT):
@KellyCooper : I am noticing that the Training and Education WG update for the TSC is due this week: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/tsc/wg-updates/training-and-education-wg-2018-may. Are you going to be able to complete that? @davidwboswell and I would be willing to work with you on that.

roleybrown (Tue, 22 May 2018 15:48:56 GMT):
Thank You for the valuable feedback.

phanikumar (Tue, 22 May 2018 18:16:04 GMT):
Can someone help me figuring out the real advantage of Blockchain comparing it with a Disturbed database system.

KellyCooper (Tue, 22 May 2018 18:36:07 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=9AqwX2GM4GjgG4EKW) @phanikumar We are the group who creates training materials more than the Q&A for learners. If you have not, you might want to check out the free edX.org course on blockchain. There are major differences between blockchain and distributed database systems, if you can set a context I can better target an answer. Thanks, Kelly

phanikumar (Tue, 22 May 2018 19:17:56 GMT):
my friend is working in software industry on a banking domain. We initialized a discussion on how Blockchain fits Banking sector and he posed a question can't we achieve it through a relational database distributed in various locations.

phanikumar (Tue, 22 May 2018 19:23:11 GMT):
I raised points like immutability, transparency and trust. He replied back stating that in RDMS there will be access controls by which immutability is achieved furthermore Blockchain is again using the database in the background. In business network access will only be granted to trusted(authenticated) parties. As banking sector keeps all the records of a transaction transparency can also be achieved to some extent. So what makes Blockchain so special is the centralized point?

KellyCooper (Tue, 22 May 2018 19:28:56 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=axBnK7QXSynHaKQee) @phanikumar Great clarification, thanks. I'm at my day job (PST) and will respond after work. Kelly

KellyCooper (Tue, 22 May 2018 19:43:55 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=FxjJBdk68TsATCW5B) When I read your question I think of many moons ago when everyone wondered why not stick with COBOL? Tested, secure, middleware still in play. I think (my opinion) blockchain will be an alternative for banking and will gain traction as it becomes validated beyond its potential. It's a bit dicey to defend or refute products this early, especially when they have global hype. You might want to check into the Hyperledger Fabric documentation; if you go to this link, and you will also see more information in the left nav menu. https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.1/arch-deep-dive.html. Rather than considering immutability, transparency and trust, consider the architecture. Our group is starting to work on use cases that are more business-centric. IBM also has a few banking use cases that are interesting as an overview https://goo.gl/MQVLyL Thanks, Kelly

tkuhrt (Tue, 22 May 2018 20:25:55 GMT):
@phanikumar : Here are some questions I would ask regarding an RDBMS that exists at multiple locations. Which one is the system of record? How much reconciliation is needed to ensure that the data is the same in all instances? Who has the correct version? The idea behind blockchain is that everyone has the same system of record, no reconciliation is needed, and everyone has the same version.

KellyCooper (Tue, 22 May 2018 21:35:36 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=eft8iJQjELhsPWXZB) @tkuhrt Well stated Tracy.

roleybrown (Wed, 23 May 2018 12:29:32 GMT):
@phanikumar - My thoughts, if I may. A database, irrespective of access control can be changed after data is commited by for instance a database administrator. Once again you trusting a central authority. In addition, replication of data can become a nightmare with all the integrity constraints across many relational databases(nodes). If I read and understand the documentation correctly, a blockchain only uses a database such as couchdb to record the current state.Still learning. The blockchain in itself stays immutable. Consensus on a blockchain in a trustless way prevents for instance duplication based on rules defined. Imagine the same record being updated on two different databases at the same time, without consensus, which one is correct? Databases and Blockchains both are great, each with their own strenghts and suited for different use cases. The edX Intro to HyperLegder course has a nice section on where blockchains are perhaps not ideal.

tkuhrt (Wed, 23 May 2018 15:25:48 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=mfupygSmFmLrCTbh3) @KellyCooper : Thoughts?

KellyCooper (Wed, 23 May 2018 15:40:46 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ydcmfPjGWtMwSdDx4) @tkuhrt I was unaware of it. Can you provide an example or guide? I see a blank page there now. Or is it a recap? Thanks.

tkuhrt (Wed, 23 May 2018 16:04:04 GMT):
@KellyCooper If you click the edit button, there is a template that is used for all updates

KellyCooper (Wed, 23 May 2018 16:08:27 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Knbk7tqK6n8G9sbWm) @tkuhrt :) wow I never thought to click. I am apparently not a multi-tasker!

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tkuhrt (Thu, 24 May 2018 12:47:16 GMT):
@KellyCooper : I took a stab at filling out the TSC update. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/tsc/wg-updates/training-and-education-wg-2018-may Please have a look and update as necessary. This will be presented to the TSC at 7:00 AM PT today. It would be great if you could represent it to the TSC so that they get to know you.

KellyCooper (Thu, 24 May 2018 13:47:33 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=wDAxEs7SFtkLtAt2h) @tkuhrt Same Zoom link for TSC?

tkuhrt (Thu, 24 May 2018 13:48:25 GMT):
@KellyCooper https://zoom.us/j/317239767

KellyCooper (Thu, 24 May 2018 13:48:49 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=L9AlekFzsbV9viz0g2) @tkuhrt thx

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phanikumar (Thu, 24 May 2018 20:48:18 GMT):
thanks @KellyCooper @tkuhrt and @roleybrown those points helped me.

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abraham (Mon, 28 May 2018 14:19:01 GMT):
wish i can join next meeting

KellyCooper (Mon, 28 May 2018 19:32:25 GMT):
Great, next meeting is 4 June at 10:00 PST. Thanks, Kelly

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richzhao (Tue, 29 May 2018 16:21:29 GMT):
sorry I missed the meeting yesterday, but I will join the next one

KellyCooper (Tue, 29 May 2018 20:08:23 GMT):
It's next Monday :)

KellyCooper (Tue, 29 May 2018 20:08:39 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=5c4mHgChMttccLxj4) @richzhao It's next Monday :)

richzhao (Tue, 29 May 2018 23:02:18 GMT):
I am in Shenzhen China, we have a big time gap, the meeting is at Tuesday 1:00 - 2:00

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abraham (Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:58:05 GMT):
most of live hyperledger webniar is 10:00 PST. Is it possible to change the time to 8:00 PST ? I believe there will be more Chinese developers who like to join us at more proper time..

abraham (Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:59:52 GMT):
I often go to sleep before 9:00 PST.

laurasp (Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:29:52 GMT):
Hi everyone, my name is Laura and I currently live in Spain. Working in technologhy/digital since 2004, covering severals roles from applycation/business analyst to PM, Service manager and COO.Last year I started researching about blockchain and support startups into the adoption of the technology. I would like to join the call today to see how and where I can contribute.should I sign up somewhere or jump on the call?

SjirNijssen (Mon, 04 Jun 2018 15:13:06 GMT):
@laurasp Bienvenida, just jump on the call.

laurasp (Mon, 04 Jun 2018 15:20:58 GMT):
thanks, ok I will

KellyCooper (Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:49:57 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=HZv9T9KEtjT7PYKAy) @laurasp Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Or iPhone one-tap : US: +16465588656,,4034983298# or +16699006833,,4034983298# Or Telephone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 855 880 1246 (Toll Free) or +1 877 369 0926 (Toll Free) Meeting ID: 403 498 3298 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/bAaJoyznp

KellyCooper (Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:50:30 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=iuuPxwqsDXR4mZExs) @abraham Will ask the group in today's meeting.

chart01 (Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:16:52 GMT):
@KellyCooper - video should be in your mail

chart01 (Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:20:00 GMT):
@KellyCooper sent script in seperate mail

SjirNijssen (Mon, 04 Jun 2018 20:10:18 GMT):
The Hyperledger T & E WG approved today the following: "•Proposed transaction: Let us select the 15 most essential concepts (is not terms) in Fabric, Sawtooth, Burrow and Iroha, and describe clearly, using illustrating relevant examples, understandable to end users and management, how they relate, overlap and where they are different; look forward to endorsements." On behalf of the WG I submit to you the first two concepts descriptions: A blockchain is an append-only data structure; a blockchain (instance) consists at any moment in time of a number of blocks. A block contains a number of transactions. The contents of a block is encrypted and each block contains a hash of major parts. It contains also a copy of the hash of the previous block and this is the reason for the term chain. A transaction proposal is a proposal by a client application or administrator to the blockchain network community. The network community can decide to make the transaction proposal a valid transaction, or is classified as an invalid transaction. Please let us know which improvements you want to make to these two concept definitions. Thanks

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roleybrown (Tue, 05 Jun 2018 14:51:06 GMT):
@SjirNijssen , I think its clear and concise.

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amundson (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 03:06:59 GMT):
@SjirNijssen the contents of a block are not encrypted

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 06:47:55 GMT):
@amundson Thanks for the correction. I will make that very clear in the next update.

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 19:07:56 GMT):
@amundson, @roleybrown @KellyCooper @Dan @yacovm and members of the T & E WG: A few days ago the first two concept definitions for the blockchain concepts were offered in the Fabric, Sawtooth, Iroha and Burrow channel. The suggestions on these first two are now processed and together with 4 additional concept definitions available for review at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts . Please feel invited to a critical review.

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chart01 (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 19:21:52 GMT):
@tkuhrt Hi - do you have anything like Style Guide to guide the look and feel of the animations we're working on?

Dan (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 19:27:01 GMT):
Thanks @SjirNijssen. Minor feedback: "Global State" is more common term than "World State"

Dan (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 19:27:45 GMT):
Also @SjirNijssen sawtooth blocks contain atomic collections of transactions we call batches. Please see earlier link i provided to documentation.

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 19:30:08 GMT):
@Dan Thanks Dan; I will bring in both terms in the next version. Is it not the case that Global State is more used in the Sawtooth community and World State more in the Fabric community? The concept of atomic transaction will come in in a later increment as it is indeed a core concept.

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 19:31:09 GMT):
@Dan Hence the term batch as used in Sawtooth will be included in one of the next increments.

Dan (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 19:34:19 GMT):
I believe global state is a more normative term. Random paper with search hit: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/tds/papers/Lynch/tse82.pdf

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:05:11 GMT):
@Dan I checked with a well known search engine: global state 1.7 billion; world state 3.5 billion. I propose we declare them synonyms in the blockchain engineering community.

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:30:24 GMT):
I'm really not sure why it's even worth to define the hash in that core concept.

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:30:40 GMT):
Hash functions are used for many things, not just blockchains

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:31:29 GMT):
also - the hash definition isn't ideal IMO

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:31:43 GMT):
> Hash A hash about a variable length piece of data results in a unique fixed length data field. The hash is a function that assigns to the variable length field a unique fixed length data field. It is not possible to reconstruct from the hash the variable length data field. Hence a hash is a one-way function.

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:33:42 GMT):
The 1-wayness isn't really rigorously defined, as the impossibility to reconstruct the preimage is only when the input is sampled from a high entropy distribution

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:34:02 GMT):
also - the hash needs to be collision resistant, that wasn't mentioned in the definition above.

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:35:58 GMT):
I'd say we drop the hash definition completely from that document as it's something that is used for many, many things in cryptography (commitment schemes, encryption, authentication, signatures)

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:35:58 GMT):
I'd say you drop the hash definition completely from that document as it's something that is used for many, many things in cryptography (commitment schemes, encryption, authentication, signatures)

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:37:21 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ^

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:38:55 GMT):
Also - what about peers? every blockchain has peers, right? where are they in the core concepts?

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:39:47 GMT):
Also I'm missing the "consensus" core concept - every blockchain obviously has some sort of consensus (be in PoW, PoS, CFT, BFT, etc. etc.)

Dan (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:47:43 GMT):
agree that drop the hash or reference an existing defn.

Dan (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:49:24 GMT):
@SjirNijssen you need to quote your phrase to search engines (world state) != ("world state"); moreover it needs to be in the right context like (distributed ledger "global state").

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:49:51 GMT):
@Dan Google

Dan (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:50:27 GMT):
I mean you need to use quotation marks around phrases

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:50:32 GMT):
@Dan then we have to agree in which context

Dan (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:51:05 GMT):
anyway you it's not a huge point, but you have my feedback and a random academic reference.

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:54:35 GMT):
@Dan I followed your advice. "World state" 711.000; "Global state" 768.000

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 20:57:52 GMT):
@yacovm The current list of 6 is only the second step. We will increase the number of concepts gradually. Consensus will definitely be one of them. I have to think more about your statements about hash.

SjirNijssen (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:00:20 GMT):
@yacovm Sorry I forgot to say that peer is also in one of the next increments.

yacovm (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:00:29 GMT):
np

tkuhrt (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:33:50 GMT):
@SjirNijssen @Dan : I too think that World State is not the right term. I would personally change it to "State" and then specify that in Fabric this is what is termed "World State" and in Sawtooth this is what is termed as "Global State"

tkuhrt (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:34:31 GMT):
@chart01 : I am still waiting to hear back from the folks who control the brand guidelines on the "newest" guidelines. Hopefully soon.

tkuhrt (Fri, 08 Jun 2018 21:35:48 GMT):
@SjirNijssen : Let's not leave out Indy from the list of frameworks that will need any specifics added

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SjirNijssen (Sat, 09 Jun 2018 07:39:47 GMT):
@tkuhrt Good suggestions, thanks. Wrt state, I agree that state and transition are well established concepts in computer science, and then give the special terms World State used in Fabric and Global State used in Sawtooth.I will include Indy in the list of frameworks invited to comment and contribute.

KellyCooper (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:13:44 GMT):
Please respond to this doodle poll regarding the T&E Working Group meeting time. This poll reflects one day; our volunteers in China have requested we consider an earlier start time. 10:00 am PST is 1:00 am in China. I note 7:00 am PST, 8:00 am PST, 9:00 am PST and 10:00 am PST as options. I note one day only, the time would carry across meeting dates already established. With this change China volunteers can attend at 10 pm, 11 pm or midnight. https://doodle.com/poll/cvz5tewfdevqih3d Thanks for replying to the poll. Kelly

SjirNijssen (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:53:00 GMT):
The response to the first two concept definitions has been enouraging. As a result there are now in the second increment 8 concept definitions. The proposal has been extended to make the concept list specific for 6 audiances, decision makers and end users, blockchain architects and blockchain consultants, admins, client application developers, smart contract developers and Hyperledger Platform developers. Everyone is invited to add his suggestions at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts Thanks for your help

SjirNijssen (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 17:44:05 GMT):
@KellyCooper @roleybrown @amundson @dan @yacovm @tkuhrt and members of the Training & Education WG, The feedback of amundson is incorporated, as well as Dan's and Tracy's. The feedback of yacov about the concept hash has hastened the introduction of concepts list per audience; the feedback of Yacov was probably directed towards computer scientists or software engineers and I did not want to go that deep for decision makers and end users. So yacovm when we move up through the six audiances you suggestions will there get additional space. The response to the first two concept definitions has been enouraging. As a result there are now in the second increment 8 concept definitions. The proposal has been extended to make the concept list specific for 6 audiances, decision makers and end users, blockchain architects and blockchain consultants, admins, client application developers, smart contract developers and Hyperledger Platform developers. Everyone is invited to add his suggestions at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts Thanks for your help The response to the first two concept definitions has been enouraging. As a result there are now in the second increment 8 concept definitions. The proposal has been extended to make the concept list specific for 6 audiances, decision makers and end users, blockchain architects and blockchain consultants, admins, client application developers, smart contract developers and Hyperledger Platform developers. Everyone is invited to add his suggestions at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts Thanks for your help

yacovm (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:00:18 GMT):
I... have to say that I don't want to sound too intrusive in my feedback, and - that it beyond my jurisdiction as I'm not a member of the T&E WG, but - 1) Though the idea of different documentation for different audiences sounds appealing to me, i think that 6 categories is a bit too much and the ideal number revolves around the number 2... there are those that need to understand the *what* and those that need to understand the *how*. At least - that's how i see it. 2) The separation into these 6 groups seems a bit ambiguous to me: "decision makers and end users" - who are decision makers? "blockchain consultants" and "administrators" , "client application developers" , "smart contract developers" - I'm not sure why we need to separate the audiences that much... seems like redundancy in words to me :) also - "Hyperledger Platform developers" - is the T&E WG expected to write documentation for that target audience too?

yacovm (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:02:34 GMT):
> the feedback of Yacov was probably directed towards computer scientists or software engineers and I did not want to go that deep for decision makers and end users that's why I say it's best to drop the hash. A Hash isn't a blockchain concept...

yacovm (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:04:58 GMT):
and again - i'm not a "decision maker" ;) in this topic, just trying to be helpful and to give constructive feedback. I'm personally fine with any outcome of the documentation

SjirNijssen (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:29:08 GMT):
@yacovm Thanks for your quick feedback. It will be discussed in the group. The reason that I propose the 6 lists is that the associated 6 jobs are different and need different concepts. The reason to include a special group of Hyperledger Platform developers is to make it more productive for newbees to start work in that community. I believe it will help if there were a concept list of between 400 and 500 entries. May I ask you another question: I am trying the find the code of the transaction proposal where clientID, chaincodeID, function, arguments, timestamp and clientSig are used. I have studied master/protos/peer/proposal.proto and peer/proposal_response.proto. However these fields are not used there. Do you know where in the code the list of clientID etc is used? Thanks for your attention.

yacovm (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:37:07 GMT):
> The reason that I propose the 6 lists is that the associated 6 jobs are different and need different concepts. yeah... i really don't want to continue arguing so i'll cease at this point, and only say that i know people that call themselves "blockchain consultants" and their knowledge level is below the first category. what class should they pick? ;) chaincodeID https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/peer/chaincode.proto#L72 function, arguments https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/peer/chaincode.proto#L54-L56 there is no "client ID" - it's just the full certificate of the client - the creator field in https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/common/common.proto#L119-L125 the signature is here: https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/common/common.proto#L137-L144 the timestamp is in the channel header : https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/common/common.proto#L89

yacovm (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:37:07 GMT):
> The reason that I propose the 6 lists is that the associated 6 jobs are different and need different concepts. yeah... i really don't want to continue arguing so i'll cease at this point, and only say that i know people that call themselves "blockchain consultants" and their knowledge level is below the first category. what class should they pick? ;) chaincodeID https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/peer/chaincode.proto#L72 function, arguments https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/peer/chaincode.proto#L54-L56 there is no "client ID" - it's just the full certificate of the client - the creator field in https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/common/common.proto#L119-L125 the timestamp is in the channel header : https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/common/common.proto#L89

yacovm (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:38:29 GMT):
but the signature of the proposal is in https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.1/protos/peer/proposal.proto#L112

yacovm (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:39:14 GMT):
this whole thing is a tad messy

yacovm (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:39:30 GMT):
and only the "fabric developers" should know that stuff

SjirNijssen (Sun, 10 Jun 2018 18:41:40 GMT):
@yacovm Thank you very much for the documents. I will study them. Wrt "what class they should they pick". We probably agree that the topic blockchain is the queen of all fake news in computer science history. I propose we focus on the contents of Fabric as that is really interesting and not fake.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:31:32 GMT):
@yacovm I wish I had seen these months before. I made a mistake by trusting the Architecture section "Basic workflow of transaction endorsement". I think we need to correct this situation as soon as we have time. A little question: I do not see why we need both L54-L56 and L72? Or do I miss something?

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:35:23 GMT):
you are the one that asked for the chaincode ID

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:35:32 GMT):
I don't need both...

SjirNijssen (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:36:16 GMT):
I have compared the contents and they are the same. So why have both?

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:38:20 GMT):
can you paste them here?

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:38:24 GMT):
they don't look the same to me

SjirNijssen (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:38:54 GMT):
The only difference I see is the closing }

SjirNijssen (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:44:36 GMT):
@yacovm First the L72 2018-06-10-2048 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hyperledger/fabric/release-1.1/protos/peer/chaincode.proto /* Copyright IBM Corp. 2017 All Rights Reserved. Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the License for the specific language governing permissions and limitations under the License. */ syntax = "proto3"; package protos; option java_package = "org.hyperledger.fabric.protos.peer"; option go_package = "github.com/hyperledger/fabric/protos/peer"; import "google/protobuf/timestamp.proto"; // Confidentiality Levels enum ConfidentialityLevel { PUBLIC = 0; CONFIDENTIAL = 1; } //ChaincodeID contains the path as specified by the deploy transaction //that created it as well as the hashCode that is generated by the //system for the path. From the user level (ie, CLI, REST API and so on) //deploy transaction is expected to provide the path and other requests //are expected to provide the hashCode. The other value will be ignored. //Internally, the structure could contain both values. For instance, the //hashCode will be set when first generated using the path message ChaincodeID { //deploy transaction will use the path string path = 1; //all other requests will use the name (really a hashcode) generated by //the deploy transaction string name = 2; //user friendly version name for the chaincode string version = 3; } // Carries the chaincode function and its arguments. // UnmarshalJSON in transaction.go converts the string-based REST/JSON input to // the []byte-based current ChaincodeInput structure. message ChaincodeInput { repeated bytes args = 1; map decorations = 2; } // Carries the chaincode specification. This is the actual metadata required for // defining a chaincode. message ChaincodeSpec { enum Type { UNDEFINED = 0; GOLANG = 1; NODE = 2; CAR = 3; JAVA = 4; } Type type = 1; ChaincodeID chaincode_id = 2; ChaincodeInput input = 3; int32 timeout = 4; } // Specify the deployment of a chaincode. // TODO: Define `codePackage`. message ChaincodeDeploymentSpec { enum ExecutionEnvironment { DOCKER = 0; SYSTEM = 1; } ChaincodeSpec chaincode_spec = 1; // Controls when the chaincode becomes executable. google.protobuf.Timestamp effective_date = 2; bytes code_package = 3; ExecutionEnvironment exec_env= 4; } // Carries the chaincode function and its arguments. message ChaincodeInvocationSpec { ChaincodeSpec chaincode_spec = 1; // This field can contain a user-specified ID generation algorithm // If supplied, this will be used to generate a ID // If not supplied (left empty), sha256base64 will be used // The algorithm consists of two parts: // 1, a hash function // 2, a decoding used to decode user (string) input to bytes // Currently, SHA256 with BASE64 is supported (e.g. idGenerationAlg='sha256base64') string id_generation_alg = 2; } I have to do it in two parts

SjirNijssen (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:45:24 GMT):
@yacovm now the L54-L56 2018-06-10-2101 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hyperledger/fabric/release-1.1/protos/peer/chaincode.proto /* Copyright IBM Corp. 2017 All Rights Reserved. Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the License for the specific language governing permissions and limitations under the License. */ syntax = "proto3"; package protos; option java_package = "org.hyperledger.fabric.protos.peer"; option go_package = "github.com/hyperledger/fabric/protos/peer"; import "google/protobuf/timestamp.proto"; // Confidentiality Levels enum ConfidentialityLevel { PUBLIC = 0; CONFIDENTIAL = 1; } //ChaincodeID contains the path as specified by the deploy transaction //that created it as well as the hashCode that is generated by the //system for the path. From the user level (ie, CLI, REST API and so on) //deploy transaction is expected to provide the path and other requests //are expected to provide the hashCode. The other value will be ignored. //Internally, the structure could contain both values. For instance, the //hashCode will be set when first generated using the path message ChaincodeID { //deploy transaction will use the path string path = 1; //all other requests will use the name (really a hashcode) generated by //the deploy transaction string name = 2; //user friendly version name for the chaincode string version = 3; } // Carries the chaincode function and its arguments. // UnmarshalJSON in transaction.go converts the string-based REST/JSON input to // the []byte-based current ChaincodeInput structure. message ChaincodeInput { repeated bytes args = 1; map decorations = 2; } // Carries the chaincode specification. This is the actual metadata required for // defining a chaincode. message ChaincodeSpec { enum Type { UNDEFINED = 0; GOLANG = 1; NODE = 2; CAR = 3; JAVA = 4; } Type type = 1; ChaincodeID chaincode_id = 2; ChaincodeInput input = 3; int32 timeout = 4; } // Specify the deployment of a chaincode. // TODO: Define `codePackage`. message ChaincodeDeploymentSpec { enum ExecutionEnvironment { DOCKER = 0; SYSTEM = 1; } ChaincodeSpec chaincode_spec = 1; // Controls when the chaincode becomes executable. google.protobuf.Timestamp effective_date = 2; bytes code_package = 3; ExecutionEnvironment exec_env= 4; } // Carries the chaincode function and its arguments. message ChaincodeInvocationSpec { ChaincodeSpec chaincode_spec = 1; // This field can contain a user-specified ID generation algorithm // If supplied, this will be used to generate a ID // If not supplied (left empty), sha256base64 will be used // The algorithm consists of two parts: // 1, a hash function // 2, a decoding used to decode user (string) input to bytes // Currently, SHA256 with BASE64 is supported (e.g. idGenerationAlg='sha256base64') string id_generation_alg = 2;

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:48:44 GMT):
oh my god

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:49:27 GMT):
why did you post the file's content here :/

SjirNijssen (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:52:04 GMT):
@yacovm Because I concluded from the following tekst that asked for that: yacovm 10:38 can you paste them here?

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:53:49 GMT):
``` message ChaincodeInput { repeated bytes args = 1; map decorations = 2; } ```

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:53:58 GMT):
``` ChaincodeID chaincode_id = 2; ```

yacovm (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:54:12 GMT):
I meant these :)

abraham (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:05:47 GMT):
hi

richzhao (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:06:14 GMT):
hi

abraham (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:06:30 GMT):
any change of schedule on the meeting today?

richzhao (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:07:02 GMT):
I didn't receive any, checking mailist

richzhao (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:07:41 GMT):
no, nothing

abraham (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:09:21 GMT):
I did not receive, neither

abraham (Mon, 11 Jun 2018 17:18:36 GMT):
It's every other Monday for the meeting.

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SjirNijssen (Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:35:15 GMT):
@yacovm Thanks for the 5 references you suggested on Sunday. I am carefully studying them. I will propose to rewrite the part of the docs chapter Architecture called "2. Basic workflow of transaction endorsement" as it is out of sync with the code. Wrt L72 I have a question: the comment related to "message ChaincodeInput" says: "Carries the chaincode function and its arguments". I see the arguments as field 1. But field 2 is a map and I think function of a chaincode is not a map. Can you please shed some light, or tell me which error I make in the interpretation?

yacovm (Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:42:17 GMT):
@SjirNijssen - the chaincode function is just the first argument. the rest are the actual arguments.

yacovm (Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:42:30 GMT):
field 2 is something else not related to the deal

yacovm (Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:42:34 GMT):
ignore the decorations

SjirNijssen (Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:43:38 GMT):
@yacovm Thanks, very useful information. I will include it in the update.

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nathalie-ckc (Wed, 13 Jun 2018 03:36:31 GMT):
@tkuhrt , in the last Monday call, Flavia mentioned that you would be posting a Github repo where we could submit suggested changes for the edX MOOC. Do you have a target date for when that would be available?

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KellyCooper (Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:14:55 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=nZShhpBk9fiDGN9TL) @nathalie-ckc Flavia is quick on email :) fcioanca@linuxfoundation.org

nathalie-ckc (Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:19:18 GMT):
@KellyCooper thanks!

fcioanca (Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:49:58 GMT):
@nathalie-ckc Tracy actually is the best to provide an answer related to the GitHub repo, as she is transferring the course content there

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:03:35 GMT):
@fcioanca , ok thanks.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 14 Jun 2018 19:26:55 GMT):
For the audience of decision makers and end users a proposal with the 15 most important concepts for Enterprise blackchain are now available at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts May I invite you to review these for the next meeting coming Monday and make suggestions for improvements. Thanks

rdmross (Thu, 14 Jun 2018 22:00:34 GMT):
I am working on a Training and Education Work Group resource navigation aid. The first draft is at https://trustautomated.com/links Please give me suggestions on how to make it more valuable to our group.

KellyCooper (Fri, 15 Jun 2018 14:14:01 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=83aMtBSyBAjKxSin8) @rdmross Nice draft. Useful. One small thing, can you add a link that goes to the edX course Discussion Forum? Flavia asks us to drop in there and offer support. After group comments on your helpful resource navigation draft, Tracy will approve and can then place it on a hyperledger page. In the meantime I'll also add this to Monday's agenda. Thanks, Kelly

SjirNijssen (Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:09:13 GMT):
@kellyCooper, @rdmross @nathalie-ckc @Dan @amundson @nathalie-ckc @abraham @roleybrown @laurasp @richzhao @phanikumar @brockhager @eramitg @LuigiRiva @punit 4 @jsalvachua @kakuzu @baohua @DomingoLiotta @angelsuarez @chart01 and all other members of the T & E WG If you have time to critically look at the first 15 concecpt definitions for the first audience, decision makers and end users, please let me know what you think should be improved. They are at: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts Hence we start with 1. the decision makers and end users, and work from there back (or forward?) via 2. the blockchain architects, 3. the admins, 4. the client application developers, 5. the smart contract developers and 6. system chain code developers. This is in my view the best Education & Training approach, although most others in blockchain communities do it the other way around. Thanks for your attantion.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:12:36 GMT):
@morphatic See previous message

SjirNijssen (Sat, 16 Jun 2018 15:14:58 GMT):
@isaacwong In case you are the Isaac of the tx lifecycle, let us have on off-line discussion. sjir.nijssen@pna-group.com

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rdmross (Sun, 17 Jun 2018 20:36:14 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=BJvZnoP3YTdesqqoZ) @KellyCooper

rdmross (Sun, 17 Jun 2018 20:36:42 GMT):
Hi Kelly, Is this the link you wanted? https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2017/discussion/forum/

KellyCooper (Sun, 17 Jun 2018 23:48:09 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=mMbZNeo3rsAtQwkK7) @rdmross Yes :)

nathalie-ckc (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 05:27:39 GMT):

Where did the format button icons go

nathalie-ckc (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 05:27:43 GMT):
@fcioanca & others looking at the edX MOOC Forum: Are any of the rest of you having the issue where the edX editor format buttons are not showing? In this picture, above the blue edit window outline, where I hovered my mouse to get the shortcut key, there used to be format button icons, instead of just the blank white, separated by grey vertical lines:

nathalie-ckc (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 05:28:09 GMT):

Where did the format button icons go

fcioanca (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:23:49 GMT):
Hi @nathalie-ckc I see that the formatting options are not displaying. I will send an email to the edX support team and will get back to you once I get a response. It could be just a bug on the platform

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:32:56 GMT):
Hi - sorry for the simpleton question, but having had a discussion and the doodle on changing the time of the call; do we have today's call at the usual time?

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:39:41 GMT):
@ikocsis Omre, today is the usual time Sjir

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:39:53 GMT):
Ok, thanks

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:40:20 GMT):
@ikocsis excuse me for the type, Imre

richzhao (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:40:44 GMT):
when will be the meeting? @SjirNijssen

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:41:03 GMT):
@richzhao usual time

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:41:13 GMT):
no problem at all :) (imagine the trouble I tend to cause with my last name)

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:41:28 GMT):
7:00 CEST, if that's any help

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:41:30 GMT):
usual time is today 19:00 CET

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:43:04 GMT):
@richzhao Today the meeting is at 7 PM CET

richzhao (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:44:15 GMT):
I got VPN problem, cannot access google. what's time in CET now? Is it 6:45 CET?

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:45:09 GMT):
@richzhao It is now 4:45 PM, or 16:45 in CET

richzhao (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:45:20 GMT):
okay, I see

richzhao (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:45:23 GMT):
thx

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:47:33 GMT):
@richzhao @ikocsis May I ask you to very critically look at the first 15 concept definitions Thanks

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:47:35 GMT):
Sjir, if you are already here :), just a quick feedback on the core concepts proposal (and we can discuss it during the call): I think that the decision maker + end user concept set is missing a bit the DLT concept + the "nice properties when implemented with Blockchain" (that's partially covered, though)

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:48:48 GMT):
@ikocsis @richzhao The 15 are at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:49:52 GMT):
@ikocsis I will gladly bring in the concept DLT, if we can agree that Fabric is not limited to assets

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:50:21 GMT):
And for the definitions, I don't know whether you looked at NISTIR 8202

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:50:46 GMT):
May be useful, the NIST people seem to have put in quite a bit of work

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:50:59 GMT):
@ikocsis What do you think is not covered? Please let me know and we can jointly improve.

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:54:42 GMT):
Chaincode/smart contract seem to be missing, or at least the fact that the thing is "user-programmable"

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:55:16 GMT):
I was looking for irrepudiability, but that's actually there, just called differently

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:55:49 GMT):
On DLT: I certainly fully agree that Fabric is not limited to assets

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:56:25 GMT):
It's actually a really good concept set, I have to ponder a bit on it

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:00:15 GMT):
I personally would introduce some hierarchy - say, service (as Blockchain is pretty much becoming a middleware of sorts) - properties - system actors & components - data structures & algorithms

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:01:27 GMT):
But this is basically just throwing up the concepts themselves on a MindMap, what I will try to do to see whether is makes sense

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:02:31 GMT):
@ikocsis Imre, I think you are right; I am happy to bring in the concept Smart contracts. I hope we agree there is a lot of fake news about that concept and I propose we only bring solid news. Do we agree on those points?

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:04:00 GMT):
Yes, of course

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:05:56 GMT):
I'm rather practical on "smart contracts" - they are neither smart, nor contracts, as we say :) So I would introduce them in the CS/CS sense - if someone wants to use it to create funny money, that's certainly an option, but not core to the concept as it stands now (and most certainly not in consortial, permissioned Blockchains)

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:08:16 GMT):
@ikocsis I agree; so we have to clear up quite some misunstandings about smart contracts. How many persons have you met that have studied law and are able to express themselves in Go, or Java?

ikocsis (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:14:31 GMT):
Exactly one, but that's a strange guy :)

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:18:59 GMT):
@ikocsis Thanks for your answer. Your suggestion to add smart contracts to the list of core concepts for the first audience is a very good one. I will include it after the telecon of today where I hope to receive additional feedback that can be used for the next version. I hope to be able to start work on the second audience this week.

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IsaacWong (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:01:35 GMT):
@SjirNijssen would it be good to include endorsement policy to the list as well?

SjirNijssen (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:47:17 GMT):
@IsaacWong Good suggestion Isaac. That means we will have 17 core concepts for decision makers and end users.Thanks

rdmross (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 20:55:58 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=MuEnW9wwe4hRink8Q) @KellyCooper

rdmross (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 20:56:07 GMT):
Done

abraham (Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:45:40 GMT):
China does not observe daylight savings .

richzhao (Tue, 19 Jun 2018 15:38:21 GMT):
@SjirNijssen @tkuhrt @KellyCooper I updated the core concepts on the wiki. Adding, CA, MSP, Peer, chaincode etc. please have a look

KellyCooper (Tue, 19 Jun 2018 15:58:27 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Mdssczg9HSm83Fqgu) @abraham Thanks. By setting us up at 8:00 am PST, most of the year we will meet at 11 pm in China and part of the year it will be 10 pm in China. In Fall, time 'rolls back' one hour in most US time zones. Most people hope that policy will end soon but it seems to go on forever.

KellyCooper (Tue, 19 Jun 2018 15:58:41 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=zeszchhbeLGo34zvZ) @richzhao Thanks Rich. Kelly

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tkuhrt (Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:36:19 GMT):
@richzhao : I have not looked at the document yet, but these are core concepts of Fabric (at least CA MSP, chaincode). Are these core concepts supposed to be project agnostic?

SjirNijssen (Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:46:47 GMT):
@tkuhrt The idea is to gradually build up a top quality knowledge description of all the Hyperledger projects to be used as basis to develop Training & Education material. There are some concepts that only apply to a subset and they need to be included as long as we specify clearly to which project they apply and where not. Hence if a concept is only available in say Fabric, then this needs to be specified.

tkuhrt (Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:59:53 GMT):
Things that are concepts specific to a particular project should exist in the documentation for those projects, and we should just link to that information, not create a separate version. @SjirNijssen

tkuhrt (Wed, 20 Jun 2018 21:00:31 GMT):
If we don't like what exists there or it doesn't exist, then we should do a pull request against the documentation for those projects.

rdmross (Wed, 20 Jun 2018 22:50:23 GMT):
I added a link to the navigation aid to the bottom of the main Training and Education wiki page. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg

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JoeyJoplin (Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:27:07 GMT):
Hello Everyone, my name is Daniele and I just joined on community. I confess that I quite lost. I would like to help building VM and writing hands on tutorials. Could somebody give me some advice about procedures and how can I start to help?

KellyCooper (Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:12:48 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=4Ak8hccG492wZCPFA) @JoeyJoplin Hi Daniele. Our next meeting is 2 July. In the meantime, here is a link to our wiki page and associated files. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg Also, please see our edX.org course for help on the 'quite lost' feeling :) https://www.edx.org/course/blockchain-business-introduction-linuxfoundationx-lfs171x-0 Thanks, Kelly

SjirNijssen (Sat, 23 Jun 2018 10:02:11 GMT):
@richzhao Thanks for your contribution to the concept list. Before I can react effectively I would like to establish that we want to use a consistent and in principle complete list of concept definitions for a specific audience as the basis for the training & education materials. I hope we agree that some boxes are black for some audiences and the same box is white for other audiences. I have proposed to distinguish 6 different but related audiences and that we start from the end user and decision maker point of view. The next one would be the blockchain architect. Could you agree with those principles?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 23 Jun 2018 10:11:38 GMT):
@ikocsis Imre, I am pretty sure that we agree that there is a lof of confusion about the term smart contract and chaincode. I have a proposal that fundamentally could end that confusion. However that means that we have to go to the atoms of the blockchain (a macromulecule) and the world state. The proposal is to consider each and every transaction as a set of facts, and to also consider each and every state (world state in Fabric) as a set of facts. What do you think of this?

JoeyJoplin (Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:12:11 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=RE5LyAn85pfKcgz8v) @KellyCooper Thank you very much :-)

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GhanVashishtha (Tue, 26 Jun 2018 06:42:48 GMT):
Hello Everyone, I am Ghan Vashishtha. I am not much into hyperledger a lot, but have plans to go deep (already started). Is starting with sawtooth a good idea ? Also trying it out in CentOS 7.

KellyCooper (Tue, 26 Jun 2018 14:25:51 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=D8wYL7QJk4wxZugRs) @GhanVashishtha Welcome Ghan. Perhaps the Fabric/Sawtooth combination. Have you accessed the Hyperledger edX.org course?

richzhao (Tue, 26 Jun 2018 23:43:44 GMT):
@SjirNijssen yes, I agree with you

GhanVashishtha (Wed, 27 Jun 2018 05:28:36 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=6wpdZhZEim8eSKYZz) @KellyCooper Thanks a lot Kelly, enrolling in to the courses now. Will be in touch regarding my dockerless, centos native build attempts including a C SDK.

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SjirNijssen (Wed, 27 Jun 2018 17:17:02 GMT):
@richzhao Thanks for your answer. I will do an update as soon as possible based on your answer.

fcioanca (Wed, 27 Jun 2018 19:31:16 GMT):
Hi @KellyCooper, I will not be able to attend the call on Monday, but Magda, my colleague will be on the call. She will be able to answer questions and give some updates. Thank you!

KellyCooper (Wed, 27 Jun 2018 19:34:39 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=sWs4Pe3dTMGxpAd2H) @fcioanca Thanks, I saw you declined the calendar invite, I will note Magda on the Google Drive agenda. Thanks!

fcioanca (Wed, 27 Jun 2018 19:35:19 GMT):
I will be on vacation starting tomorrow, and won't be able to attend the meeting

SjirNijssen (Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:55:18 GMT):
@richzhao, @KellyCooper @ikocsis @IsaacWong @morphatic @tkuhrt @laurasp @roleybrown @brockhager @amundson @chart01 @Dan and all other members of the T&E WG. Thanks to all persons having given feedback on line and off line. All the feedback is now included in the first (almost complete) list of concepts for end users and decision makers. I ask your special attention to the concept of policies as this needs some further elaboration. Please let me know if you think a concept is missing for this audience. Feedback is very welcome. After the Monday meeting the list of concepts for blockchain architects is the focus. I look forward to your reaction and plan to include that before the meeting next Monday. Regards

SjirNijssen (Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:19:11 GMT):
The link is: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts

swcurran (Fri, 29 Jun 2018 16:47:32 GMT):
Hey folks - I've been lurking here for a bit, and I'm working on some material for Indy. I found a tool I really like for helping people understand the concepts of hashes, transactions, blocks and blockchain that might be useful in your "concepts" documents. https://anders.com/blockchain/. The videos are good, but also look at the tools themselves - click the top menu items for hash, block, blockchain, etc.

KellyCooper (Fri, 29 Jun 2018 18:45:04 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=SguEuaMedij6aXsGN) @swcurran Thanks! Will take a look and show on the Monday agenda. Kelly

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pankajekbote (Sun, 01 Jul 2018 04:17:22 GMT):
Hello everyone. I recently completed the MOOC on 'Blockchain for Business - An Introduction to Hyperledger Technologies'. I am a training (learning and Development ) professional in my organization in India. Joined this group to contribute to the best of my ability

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RoboticTree (Sun, 01 Jul 2018 08:45:07 GMT):
Hi everyone, I am in the midst of the Edx MOOC. It is pretty neat and I hope I can become an expert on blockchain. I've worked in education for some time and I think I could help improve the MOOC.

RoboticTree (Sun, 01 Jul 2018 08:45:07 GMT):
Hi everyone, I am in the midst of the Edx MOOC. It is pretty neat and I hope I can become an expert on blockchain. A great way to become an expert is to teach what you learn, thus I'm joining this group. I've worked in education for some time and I think I could help improve the MOOC, and / or develop new materials.

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Bobbijn (Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:10:25 GMT):
https://552950085483010367.weebly.com/hyperledger-wg-survey-training-and-education.html

Bobbijn (Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:10:47 GMT):
Please look at survey and supply ideas., Bobbi

Bobbijn (Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:10:47 GMT):
Please look at survey and supply ideas, Bobbi

SjirNijssen (Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:17:06 GMT):
@Bobbijn I suggest the following addition: develop separate high quality materials for various audiences like end users, decision makers, blockchain architects, administrators, client application developers and smart contract developers.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:41:03 GMT):
@Bobbijn The reason for separate (but related) materials for the various audiences is that e.g. end users have to know far less concepts than e.g. blockchain architects, while client applications developers have to know currently several interface conventions that are not relevant for end users, nor blockchain architects.

Bobbijn (Mon, 02 Jul 2018 22:14:30 GMT):
I will incorporate questions relating to those areas, Thank you

rdmross (Mon, 09 Jul 2018 14:58:47 GMT):
Is there a link or a single artifact that shows current active projects for our workgroup?

SjirNijssen (Mon, 09 Jul 2018 19:36:45 GMT):
@rdmross The concept work is here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts Feel invited to be as critical as you can be. Quality counts.

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KellyCooper (Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:05:16 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=xoBPmA6xEGsRacxkQ) @Bobbijn Materials for the work group are housed within Hyperledger, is this survey one you're developing and hosting as we review? I was away at the last meeting, I may have missed something. I see a survey on Weebly, with links to your commercial endeavor? Sorry if I'm way off track, can you set the context? Thanks, Kelly :)

KellyCooper (Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:07:38 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=rdFQsegL7DESArGLq) @rdmross There is a wiki page with links to Google Drive and a couple of additional wiki pages. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg And, one volunteer is working on a list of links to all resources. The group is not large and our inventory is in early development. Thanks, Kelly

KellyCooper (Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:11:36 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=rdFQsegL7DESArGLq) @rdmross There is a wiki page with links to Google Drive and a couple of additional wiki pages. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg And, one volunteer is working on a list of links to all resources. The group is not large and our inventory is in early development. Thanks, Kelly

KellyCooper (Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:13:47 GMT):
@pankajekbote @RoboticTree Great you are interested in joining us. Sorry, slow to respond, I returned from holiday and it seems others are away too. Our next meeting is 16 July at 8:00 am PST. ``` Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Or iPhone one-tap : US: +16465588656,,4034983298# or +16699006833,,4034983298# Or Telephone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 855 880 1246 (Toll Free) or +1 877 369 0926 (Toll Free) Meeting ID: 403 498 3298 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/bAaJoyznp ```

KellyCooper (Sat, 14 Jul 2018 11:16:17 GMT):
@swcurran I added to Monday's resources. Thanks Stephen

Thaddeus (Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:11:14 GMT):
Hi my name is Thaddeus. I am new to the group. My understanding is that training materials are needed for Burrow and Iroha. I would be happy to work on this.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 15 Jul 2018 06:21:31 GMT):
@Thaddeus You are very welcome. It would be a good step forward if we could have the Burrow and Iroha input for the concept list for the audience end user and decision maker. The next list is for the audience blockchain architects, which I would like to start after the Monday telecon. The current list is here: : https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts Feel invited to update the list and bring in as many concepts of Burrow and Iroha as you deem useful either as specializations of the current list or additions. Thanks for your initiative.

KellyCooper (Sun, 15 Jul 2018 11:57:04 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=t6FNNMYhLAEnDgPM7) @Thaddeus https://wiki.hyperledger.org/projects/burrow is the burrow wiki that links to documentation useful for creating training and education materials. Igor Egorov is responsible for maintenance of Iroha documentation. He is very interested to have us review their documentation at http://iroha.readthedocs.io/en/latest/. Igor notes: Please feel free to contact me here (Rocket), or better, via telegram - @igor_egorov.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:57:40 GMT):
@igor-egorov Thank you for your offer to contribute. We have developed in the last two months the concept list for the first audience, consisting of end users and decision makers. The next audience will be blockchain architects. Could you please have a look at the current list: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts Feel invited to update the list and bring in as many concepts of Iroha as you deem useful either as specializations of the current list or additions. Thanks for your initiative.

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Chris0708 (Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:36:36 GMT):
Hello everyone, I'm new to the group, not sure if I can contribute anything yet, but I would be happy to help.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 16 Jul 2018 07:49:17 GMT):
@Chris0708 Welcome to the HL T & E WG ; please take a critical look at the first list of concepts and let us know which definitions can be improved at: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts; which area do you want to focus on?

KellyCooper (Mon, 16 Jul 2018 14:35:10 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Jg9AHXEhcxLgRaKiF) @Chris0708 Hi Chris. Our meeting is at 8:00 PST today if you are able to attend. Feel free to ask questions in direct messages here too @KellyCooper

Bobbijn (Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:18:34 GMT):
https://552950085483010367.weebly.com/hyperledger-wg-survey-training-and-education.html

Chris0708 (Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:53:18 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=vgk7q3euMCPRiNCqs) @KellyCooper Unfortunately I couldn't make it to the meeting today, but I will try having a detailed look at the concepts page tomorrow. If I have any suggestions for improvements, do I simply add that on the wiki or how does that work?

KellyCooper (Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:21:12 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=AC84x8ehzpA4np2eR) @Chris0708 Yes, with a Linux Foundation login you can work on the wiki. If you're not sure about your contribution, note it as a suggestion and Sjir will take a look. Thanks Chris, Kelly

tkuhrt (Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:51:28 GMT):
@Bobbijn : Was taking a look at the survey. It is important that we not require personal details (name) from people who submit the surveys. Can we make this an optional field? For the "Why did you join the group", would it be better to provide a set of radio boxes (e.g., To contribute educational material, To learn about Hyperledger (the organization), To learn about a specific framework (If they choose this, maybe have them list which ones), To obtain educational material for use in a course I am teaching, To review content that is being created, As a Subject Matter Expert on one of the projects, etc...) Maybe then the how you want to participate could be directed towards those type of items included above. I am not sure I understand what "Libraries Areas of Interest" is. We might want to include the following questions: * Github experience * one that is somewhat open ended (or at least with an Other) that asks what tools people have used to create training courses in the past (EdX, Udemy, PowerPoint, Google Slides, etc.) * another open ended question surrounding where people look for training material online

tkuhrt (Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:52:50 GMT):
And to piggyback on Kelly's remarks about where this survey is being hosted, we should probably consider survey monkey or Google Forms (although the latter may alienate people in countries where Google is not allowed)

SjirNijssen (Tue, 17 Jul 2018 06:26:01 GMT):
@tkuhrt Very helpful suggestions. Please implement. The value of concept definitions not only for Hyperledger, also in surveys is once again well illustrated: "I am not sure I understand what "Libraries Areas of Interest" is. I expect you are not the only one. Thanks Tracey

Thaddeus (Wed, 18 Jul 2018 00:56:05 GMT):
@KellyCooper thank you for the links!

Thaddeus (Wed, 18 Jul 2018 01:03:02 GMT):
@igor-egorov I have reached out to you via Telegram my username there is taizan changing it here as well

Thaddeus (Wed, 18 Jul 2018 01:03:02 GMT):
@igor-egorov will reach out to you on Telegram as well

Thaddeus (Wed, 18 Jul 2018 01:03:02 GMT):
@igor-egorov I have reached out to you via Telegram my username there is taizan changing it here as well

Chris0708 (Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:51:53 GMT):

Core-Concepts revision.pdf

SjirNijssen (Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:54:52 GMT):
@Chris0708 Thanks for the 3 pages of suggestions. I read them once and they deserve more time. I will study them later today and get in contact. Regards

SjirNijssen (Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:04:07 GMT):
@Chris0708 and all other members of the Hyperledger T & E WG. I propose we discuss the various aspects step by step such that every member of the WG can contribute. I prefer to refer positively to the intended audience as end users and decision makers. Please let us know if you support or do not support this. I believe we are in agreement that the first concept to describe is blockchain. As a result of the proposal of Chris I propose the following new state of the Blockchain definition: A blockchain is a chain of blocks each containing transaction data. Each block, except the first block, is linked to the previous block and each block except the last one is linked to the next block. Hence the link is not directional; block N contains, besides its own hash, a copy of the hash of the previous block. Once a block has entered the blockchain, it is like chiselled in granite. This characterictic delivers the immutability of the data in the blockchain, also referred to as temper-free data or virually incorruptable data. This aspect is one of the main reasons for the broad interest in blockchain technology. In computer science language a blockchain is an append-only data structure; a blockchain (instance) consists at any moment in time of a number of blocks. If the chain has N blocks, then it has N-1 links, for N>=1. Hence when there is only one block, there in no link. Wrt Merkle-root, I do not believe that an enduser, nor decision maker is willing to invest energy in that concept. If there are dimensions that I have overlooked, please let me know. As block headers are different in the different Hyperledger platforms, we have to be very careful, either we only describe the common fields of the header or per platform all fields. In Fabric the blockheader contains three fields, the block-ID, an integer number staring with 0, a copy of the hash of the previous block (except for block 0) and the hash of the payload of the current block. Please add the header fields of Sawtooth, Iroha or Burrows, if you know them. Thanks. Feedback is very welcome.

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 01:48:21 GMT):
@igor-egorov I have reached out to you via Telegram my username there is taizan changing it here as well

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 01:49:57 GMT):
@Thaddeus = Thaddeus

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 01:55:08 GMT):
@SjirNijssen +1 on Blockchain definition

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 01:57:22 GMT):
Needs a grammar check - chiselled, characterictic, virually

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 01:59:53 GMT):
change to: chiselled, characteristic, virtually incorruptible, block header

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 02:01:23 GMT):
tamper resistant vs temper-free

SjirNijssen (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 07:10:53 GMT):
@Thaddeus Thanks for your suggestions. You are right with the grammar check. I will make the corrections this afternoon. How about practically temper-resistant?

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:42:04 GMT):
@SjirNijssen that should probably be "virtually tamper resistant" or "for the most part, tamper resistant" or "practically tamper resistant" if you want to keep "practically "

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:43:38 GMT):
@igor-egorov and @KellyCooper I have started reviewing http://iroha.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ based on my initial read, I would advise a grammar and term consistency check first, however, I am new to the process. Does this seem like a good first step?

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:43:38 GMT):
@KellyCooper I have connected with @igor-egorov on Telegram. He has given be the latest location to http://iroha.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ - will start reviewing todcay

SjirNijssen (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:52:15 GMT):
@Thaddeus Thanks; OK with your proposal, therefore let us agree on practically temper-resistant. I will make the update in the next hour.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:54:23 GMT):
@Thaddeus While you are going through the Iroha docs, please give some attention to the concepts in Iroha that correspond with concepts on the first concept list of the T & E WG, the one for end users and decision makers. Thanks

SjirNijssen (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:17:00 GMT):
@Thaddeus I have updated the concept description of Blockchain according to our communication. Can you agree with the result? If not, please let me know and let us try to get to consensus. I have formulated link in such a way that is not directional as a believe this is of importance. The field in a block previous_hash is simply a copy of the hash of the previous block.

KellyCooper (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:17:51 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=55LHpbS3xyFuc6mE8) @SjirNijssen Sjir, please advise when which concepts are complete. I will then create animations toward them. It will be simple for me to update as things change, with animation. Thanks :)

KellyCooper (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:22:47 GMT):
The latest iroha documentation for review: http://iroha.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

SjirNijssen (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 19:16:17 GMT):
@KellyCooper May I suggest that we try to find out how far Colin is with the animation of the transaction cycle and we may then make references from that animation to the concepts?

KellyCooper (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 19:33:24 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=dvBs3JiTFYES6ZCGy) @SjirNijssen Feel free to reach out to Colin. What I'm considering is not the same, although good idea to validate we're not doubling up. Thanks.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 20:20:21 GMT):
@chart01 Hi Colin, is there something that I can help with for the animation of the transaction life cycle? Please let me know.

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 22:45:14 GMT):
@igor-egorov and @KellyCooper I have started reviewing http://iroha.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ Based on my initial read, I would advise a grammar and term consistency check first, however, I am new to the process. Does this seem like a good first step?

Thaddeus (Thu, 19 Jul 2018 22:46:58 GMT):
@SjirNijssen The sentence you have outlined reads well to me

Thaddeus (Fri, 20 Jul 2018 03:54:49 GMT):
@igor-egorov I will connect with you on Telegram. Let me think if you think a grammar correction makes the most sense as a first step if you happen to see this. If not please let me what would be most helpful to you.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:00:11 GMT):
@Thaddeus I propose that we start with the latest version (2018-07-19-1456) of the concept list (the state) and the three pages of suggestions that you have attached in the chat messag(the proposed transaction) on July 18.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:02:52 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen that sounds good

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:03:50 GMT):
Is the following what you are referring to:

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:03:51 GMT):
http://iroha.readthedocs.io/en/latest/core_concepts/index.html

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:04:07 GMT):
Let us start with the def of blockchain. Why do we start with the def of blockchain?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:04:17 GMT):
OK, yes

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:05:12 GMT):
I am sorry, I meant the concept list of the T & E WG and correlate as much as possble with Iroha

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:05:51 GMT):
That makes sense. I am pulling that up now

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:06:58 GMT):
Why do we start with the concept blockchain? As this is the concept many people want to understand the Essentials of. Can we agree on that starting point?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:07:25 GMT):
Yes

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:07:57 GMT):
Do you have suggestions for the latest version of the concept blockchain?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:09:16 GMT):
Can you tell me where to find the most recent version?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:09:30 GMT):
yes, in a moment

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:09:35 GMT):
Thank you

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:10:12 GMT):
https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:11:01 GMT):
thank you. I am reading the blockchain definition

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:13:16 GMT):
This seems logical, straight forward and easy to understand

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:14:15 GMT):
I would like to punt in front of the last para of this definition [For software experts only: and closed after the para with a ].

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:15:54 GMT):
That sounds good.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:16:19 GMT):
What about those with software experience

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:16:25 GMT):
Expert would be your level

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:16:39 GMT):
Now that we agree on the term blockchain, let us then discuss the concepts block and chain

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:16:55 GMT):
OK, I am reading these

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:17:15 GMT):
Would you prefer software experts and people with software experience?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:17:51 GMT):
I would say software experience - I can easily understand this but I would not consider myself an expert

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:18:01 GMT):
As a professor you would be an expert

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:18:18 GMT):
As someone with CS education I would have experience

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:18:49 GMT):
ok, let us than modify this to software experience. We then can go to the concept block.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:19:07 GMT):
OK I am reading this now

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:20:26 GMT):
This is just minor grammar

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:20:32 GMT):
I would suggest this

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:21:20 GMT):
A block contains multiple transactions. The data in the block is not encrypted in the blockchain.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:21:26 GMT):
Does that make sense?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:21:40 GMT):
Then the rest of the sentences as is

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:22:10 GMT):
To be precise, a block can also contain one transaction. Do we agree? We could ad: a block usually contains three sections, a blockheader, the payload (with primarily the transaction) and the third section, metadata.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:23:15 GMT):
Hence a block contains one or more transactions, is my proposal.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:23:28 GMT):
That is very clear - We could ad: a block usually contains three sections, a blockheader, the payload (with primarily the transaction) and the third section, metadata.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:24:03 GMT):
Or even better: a block contains one and usually more than one transaction. OK?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:24:18 GMT):
yes very clear

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:24:40 GMT):
Do you know what the contents is of an Iroha block?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:25:06 GMT):
Not yet. I need to refer back to the docuementation

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:25:10 GMT):
lets review this

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:25:32 GMT):
http://iroha.readthedocs.io/en/latest/core_concepts/glossary.html#block

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:25:34 GMT):
Ok let us do that in anothet session. Let us continue with hash

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:25:50 GMT):
OK I will make a note of that as a TODO item

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:26:05 GMT):
excellent

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:26:21 GMT):
Hash next or chain?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:26:47 GMT):
sorry, you are right, the next is chain

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:27:35 GMT):
I propose to add: We could ad: a block usually contains three sections, a blockheader, the payload (with primarily the transaction) and the third section, metadata.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:28:14 GMT):
Yes, I would like that addition. The clarity is helpful

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:28:44 GMT):
In Fabric the blockheader contains three fields: the number of the block, the hash-of-the-previous_block, the data-hash

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:29:02 GMT):
I will add that addition to the block def

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:29:17 GMT):
Very helpful.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:29:31 GMT):
So the next is hash?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:29:41 GMT):
Chain I think.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:29:53 GMT):
I have on suggestion for chain.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:29:56 GMT):
sorry, you are again right

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:30:00 GMT):
Last sentence.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:30:04 GMT):
I would suggest:

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:30:06 GMT):
Because of this relationship the term chain is used. This is the basis for the tamper-resistant characteristic of a blockchain.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:30:54 GMT):
I hope we agree that the link is not-directional.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:31:13 GMT):
Yes, does that suggest otherwise?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:31:15 GMT):
Yes, I accept your latest suggestion

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:31:34 GMT):
So the entire definition wold be Each blockheader contains, besides its identifier in the scope of the blockchain, a hash of the data in the block; it also contains a copy of the hash of the previous block. Because of this relationship the term chain is used. This is the basis for the tamper-resistant characteristic of a blockchain.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:32:05 GMT):
Good point. I will update this in the state.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:32:31 GMT):
So the next is hash.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:33:35 GMT):
I will read that now

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:34:27 GMT):
A hash of a .... vs. A hash about a....?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:34:38 GMT):
In the introduction

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:35:02 GMT):
ok

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:35:21 GMT):
Is a hash always a one way function?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:35:32 GMT):
Just a question on my part

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:35:43 GMT):
Yes, that is essential.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:35:54 GMT):
so one way function vs function?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:36:11 GMT):
one-way

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:37:27 GMT):
WRT Public blockchain technology. I have come to the conclusion today to introduce another term: Blockchain technology that respects laws and assocciated regulations. What do you think of that?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:37:52 GMT):
I will correct hash in the state

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:38:08 GMT):
Yest that term is useful

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:38:31 GMT):
I think one work is missing in the following sentence:

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:38:44 GMT):
It is not possible to reconstruct from the hash [of] the original variable length data field

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:38:47 GMT):
"of

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:38:50 GMT):
"of"

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:39:01 GMT):
I will add that. Thanks for the suggestion.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:39:14 GMT):
You are welcome

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:40:21 GMT):
Can we move to transaction proposal as I will do the updates to the state up till and including Permissioned Blockchain technology tomorrow; it is here now 9 in the evening.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:40:47 GMT):
Yes, I will read transaction proposal now

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:42:54 GMT):
The last sentence of the first para should read: is in most cases the object of Can you agree?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:43:57 GMT):
Yes, that is valid.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:44:29 GMT):
I don't see any additional call-outs that I can see

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:44:39 GMT):
I propose to add two more illustrations: carTransfer and carColorChange

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:45:59 GMT):
Can you agree with that proposal?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:46:02 GMT):
Yest, important illustrations

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:46:17 GMT):
Le us then go the transaction

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:46:31 GMT):
Reading transaction now

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:47:32 GMT):
Suggestion on last sentence first paragraph:

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:48:03 GMT):
This is [could include] anything, not just monetary assets. or

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:48:12 GMT):
This is [could regard] anything, not just monetary assets.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:48:37 GMT):
I like the second one. Agreed?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:49:35 GMT):
yes agreed, the second is more correct

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:49:57 GMT):
Let us go to batch

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:50:26 GMT):
Reading batch now

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:51:35 GMT):
Suggestion

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:51:59 GMT):
"Given" vs "Think of" ?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:52:10 GMT):
accepted

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:52:36 GMT):
can we move to state?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:52:45 GMT):
yes, reading state

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:53:50 GMT):
Early suggestion is relevant hear for consistency

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:54:12 GMT):
This [could be regard] anything,

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:54:22 GMT):
accepted

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:55:28 GMT):
I propose that I update the list tomorrow as far as we have got (I believe we made good progress, thanks) and then we plan our next chat session. Is that ok with you?

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:55:42 GMT):
Yes, that is good

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:55:50 GMT):
Thanks

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:56:07 GMT):
It was very nice working with you today.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:56:22 GMT):
The same to you.

Thaddeus (Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:56:28 GMT):
Thank you.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 22 Jul 2018 11:05:53 GMT):
@Thaddeus There is a new state of the concept list with id 2018-07-22-1228(CET). I have processed the entire list of transactions that we did yesterday. Please have a look and see whether we may conclude we have consensus on this part? Could you also have a look at the first part of the text up til the term Blockchain?

SjirNijssen (Sun, 22 Jul 2018 11:07:17 GMT):
Of course every member of the T & E WG is invited to suggest impovements to the current state of the list of concept definitions.

Bobbijn (Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:36:42 GMT):
Tracy, I will be updating the form per your suggestions today. As for "Libraries Areas of Interest" , could be re-named "The T&E working group is responsible for developing and maintaining the libraries for the growing/ evolving Hyperledger umbrella product training materials: please select how you would like to contribute" .

Bobbijn (Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:39:35 GMT):
The survey is being hosted on Weebly's Ledger Academy's website , which is a public website ( hosted by me) . Please let me know if this format needs to be changed or can we proceed with the Weebly survey software.

Bobbijn (Tue, 24 Jul 2018 13:41:03 GMT):
https://552950085483010367.weebly.com/hyperledger-wg-survey-training-and-education.html# Please contact me with an additional updates, Bobbi Muscara, Ledger Academy

SjirNijssen (Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:49:33 GMT):
@KellyCooper, @tkuhrt @Bobbijn I believe we should quote here a part of the charter to avoid possible misunderstanding on an offivally approved and a new charter.

Bobbijn (Tue, 24 Jul 2018 23:10:13 GMT):
Hello, The changes to the survey have been incorporated . Please review and let me know if there are additional edits. https://552950085483010367.weebly.com/hyperledger-wg-survey-training-and-education.html#

SjirNijssen (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 06:25:46 GMT):
@Bobbijn @KellyCooper @tkuhrt I agree with you to leave the first sentence of the charter out. For the remainder it is the same as the charter, except the following: The charter says: It is focussed on, you say: It focusses on. If there is a very good reason, leave it as is (I would say), else make it as close as possible to the charter.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 06:29:05 GMT):
Is there a reason why (licensed as specified by the Hyperledger Charter) is left out?

Thaddeus (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:21:50 GMT):
@KellyCooper I have reached out to @igor-egorov on t

Thaddeus (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:22:20 GMT):
on Telegram. He asked me to review the core concepts he is working on at:

KellyCooper (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:23:18 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=omyNi6aed8f2sxHfZ) @Thaddeus Great, I don't see the link, if you will add it again. Thanks!

Thaddeus (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:24:45 GMT):
http://iroha.readthedocs.io/en/latest/core_concepts/index.html

KellyCooper (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:25:07 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=9WdFQGBTupv6S9LFu) @Thaddeus :)

Thaddeus (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:25:19 GMT):
I also worked with @SjirNijssen this weekend and continue working with him as well

KellyCooper (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:25:33 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=qFWERSi4TjJateJfb) @Thaddeus perfect!

Thaddeus (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:25:50 GMT):
@SjirNijssen if you would like to connect again. Please let me know. Would be happy to do so.

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paulransfield (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:41:27 GMT):
hi everyone ... i'm an educational technologist, familiar with burrow blockchain and monax tooling ... is there a hyperledger burrow training and education working group i can join?

paulransfield (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:46:30 GMT):

Clipboard - July 26, 2018 6:46 AM

paulransfield (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:48:17 GMT):
I completed the edX - Blockchain for Business course around Feb ...

paulransfield (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:55:17 GMT):
here's my linkedin profile ... https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-ransfield-949a121b/

SjirNijssen (Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:30:22 GMT):
@Thaddeus What would be a good time?

KellyCooper (Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:03:32 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=REKfZAJZpdsPFJcqb) @paulransfield There is no separate training and education work group. All aspects of Hyperledger are here. @SilasDavis is a great Burrow contact and @SjirNijssen is working on Essential Concepts in Burrow and Indy = https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts and our work group meetings take place every other Monday @ 8:00 PST (I'll send out Monday's agenda later today).

KellyCooper (Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:03:32 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=REKfZAJZpdsPFJcqb) @paulransfield There is no separate training and education work group. All aspects of Hyperledger are here. @silasdavis is a great Burrow contact and @SjirNijssen is working on Essential Concepts in Burrow and Indy = https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts and our work group meetings take place every other Monday @ 8:00 PST (I'll send out Monday's agenda later today).

KellyCooper (Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:13:25 GMT):
@SjirNijssen @Thaddeus When a conversation looks like it may head into multiple 'pages' please take it into Direct Messages. Thanks! for your work.

KellyCooper (Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:56:55 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=gjk8twAMsFbiL9vDq) @Bobbijn Is it possible to recreate the survey using Google (or I can if not)? We can place it in our working group drive. I see names are requested, was the discussion to take names out or limit that part of the info field? @tkuhrt thoughts?

SjirNijssen (Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:41:33 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ssoMKGAM7bnkMLPHW) @KellyCooper Hi Kelly, As I thought other members of the WG may want to know the reasoning why certain decisions have been taken wrt the concept definitions, it would be better to do it that way.

paulransfield (Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:21:04 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=pnt7zkMPm3CqZrQcm) @KellyCooper thanks @KellyCooper ... i'll wait for the next Agenda, read through previous ones, and make contact with @SjirNijssen ...

Thaddeus (Sun, 29 Jul 2018 16:48:05 GMT):
OK I will be in the WG meeting for the first time tomorrow.

Thaddeus (Sun, 29 Jul 2018 16:51:05 GMT):
I have been looking at Iroha Core Concepts - edit version. I need to share with @igor-egorov to ensure I am on point.

sathishNS (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:45:41 GMT):
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Bobbijn (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:34:33 GMT):
hERE IS A LINK TO THE SURVEY:

Bobbijn (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:34:33 GMT):
Here is the link for the Survey:

Bobbijn (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:34:38 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1TsPG-em5zM0qgXJqWsRyVlju-k1qLYeGhlbanRThP8M/edit

Bobbijn (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:57:36 GMT):
Hello,

Bobbijn (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:58:30 GMT):
Please fill out so we can discuss the results at our meeting in 2 weeks, Thank you, Bobbi

Thaddeus (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:14:58 GMT):
Hi Bobbi. I wanted to be sure you knew that the link I received from the survey gave me edit rights and I did not realize this until I had filled in some of the fields which actually modified the form.

Thaddeus (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:15:29 GMT):
I believe I have reverted to your original version, but you may want to check to see that it is corrected.

Thaddeus (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:16:07 GMT):
Also may want to lock down the permissions to submit but not edit if that is possible.

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JuanLinuxer (Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:13:58 GMT):
Hello world

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SjirNijssen (Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:22:54 GMT):
@fcioanca Hi Flavia, You mentioned a new MOOC to be released on Wednesday, that is a more general introduction into Blockchain, with real word examples. Can you provide me with the address please?

KellyCooper (Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:30:01 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ocFHJrWfrcNSZijhf) @SjirNijssen https://www.edx.org/course/understanding-blockchain-and-its-implications

SjirNijssen (Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:29:00 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=8AgjGBAZvBGqNYHdb) @KellyCooper Thanks Kelly

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paulransfield (Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:27:35 GMT):

Clipboard - August 2, 2018 5:27 AM

paulransfield (Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:27:38 GMT):
thanks @KellyCooper ... just enrolled in edX 'understanding blockchain and its implications' ...

SjirNijssen (Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:43:09 GMT):
@paulransfield Paul, What is your email address?

paulransfield (Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:44:32 GMT):
hi @SjirNijssen ... thanks for asking ... my email is paulr@kapai.tv

paulransfield (Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:44:32 GMT):
hi @SjirNijssen ... thanks for asking ... my email is paulr@kapai.tv ... by the way, i live in wellington, nz ... so i'm online generally within the NZ pacific timezone 6am - 6pm :)

paulransfield (Thu, 02 Aug 2018 19:46:50 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=8MaEy47piALfFSeAG) hi @SjirNijssen ... just replied to your email ... :)

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Thaddeus (Sun, 05 Aug 2018 00:09:43 GMT):
Statues update from Thaddeus - I am going to share a gist of revisions with @igor-egorov tomorrow. The changes are grammar and sentence restructuring only. The goal is a more better readability of the concepts. Then, tomorrow, I will focus on the tasks I have assignment myself in the EdX to Github (markdown) initiative

Thaddeus (Sun, 05 Aug 2018 00:11:37 GMT):
I am about 3/4 complete taking the first module of Blockchain: Understanding Its Uses and Implications. It is very good.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 05 Aug 2018 06:04:13 GMT):
@Thaddeus I look forward to the changes of grammar and sentence restructuring. I hope we can finish the first 30 concepts this week before the next telecon. Regards

Thaddeus (Sun, 05 Aug 2018 16:53:06 GMT):
Here is the first draft gist containing the Core Concepts for Iroha - https://gist.github.com/thaddeus-cambron/4f337191e89cdfe4cdf698372631d9f7

Thaddeus (Sun, 05 Aug 2018 16:53:47 GMT):
Here is the associated Github Issue https://github.com/hyperledger/iroha/issues/1580

Thaddeus (Sun, 05 Aug 2018 16:56:28 GMT):
@igor-egorov here is the first draft of the Core Concept revisions for Iroha https://gist.github.com/thaddeus-cambron/4f337191e89cdfe4cdf698372631d9f7. There are some questions in bold. The goal was not to change your core definitions but to improve understandability and grammar.

rdmross (Mon, 06 Aug 2018 14:07:59 GMT):

ProtocolStacks.doc

rdmross (Mon, 06 Aug 2018 14:08:09 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=DhaW4CJLGHGdYH82e) @SjirNijssen As for learning concepts, one helpful concept that is lacking in Hyperledger training material is protocol stacks. Hi @SjirNijssen, In the edX course, Introduction to Hyperledger, Only the Iroha project had an architecture stack diagram. Others like Fabric and Sawtooth do not present the architectural protocol layers as they were presented in the Iroha section. The Iroha stack diagram helped me to quickly get an initial understanding on Iroha architecture. Just so you understand what I am talking about, I attached an MS Word document, ProtocolStacks.doc on 3 examples of protocol stacks. The first one is the edX course Iroha stack. The second one is an example of a Blockchain stack. The third one is an old classic computer network protocol stack from the 1990's that helped people understand computer networks and the internet.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 06 Aug 2018 20:49:04 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=8JnzEDyZZ3fCoLKMR) @rdmross Thank you for bringing to my attention the concept of protocol stack. As I like the principle: do not use a concept, unless you can describe it with examples, I must thank you another time that you attached three examples. You would help me to adopt this principle if I could do the following: suppose that you need to communicate the concept of stack example 2 to a person that has been a software engineer during the last 40 years, but he got an accident last month and now he can temporarily not use his eyes, but his ears are perfect and the background is known. Which facts would you orally communicate to this person to let him know the contents of the second stack? Thanks for your efforts. Regards

SjirNijssen (Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:35:02 GMT):
I find reading the various chat channels a good source of information. Every now and then there is something worth quoting like a few days ago • yacovm 9:28 AM 6 aug 2018 in channel fabric-questions "using PoW for a permissioned blockchain is like having a modern car but have horses pull it".

SjirNijssen (Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:43:09 GMT):
@yacovm For your info

yacovm (Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:54:27 GMT):
but it's true

yacovm (Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:55:17 GMT):
you use PoW because you don't know who are the members of the network, and thus you can't use a classical consensus algorithm from the literature like Paxos, or PBFT

SjirNijssen (Tue, 07 Aug 2018 16:10:49 GMT):
@yacov I tend to only quote statements that I like and are true

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 18:42:58 GMT):
hi @SjirNijssen ... sorry for not replying earlier ... just read through the HT-WG minutes ...

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 18:42:58 GMT):
hi @SjirNijssen ... sorry for not replying earlier ... just read through the HT-WG minutes on google docs ... and visited the wiki links re https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts and https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/inventory-of-existing-training and the visual dictionary link to google sheets https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rbH7nZ_z5O-WQqM5UeTBnqcf5HqkJlfk123GRwSsWGU/edit#gid=0

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 18:52:08 GMT):
is the number of enrolments in the edX course - which in itself is fantastic - public knowledge ... i only ask because I wanted to discuss it in the burrow team channel ... if not, i can just use the 'exponential growth' ...

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 18:52:08 GMT):
hi @tkuhrt is the number of enrolments in the edX course - which in itself is fantastic - public knowledge ... i only ask because I wanted to discuss it in the burrow team channel ... if not, i can just use the 'exponential growth' ...

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 18:55:45 GMT):
hi @SjirNijssen ... i'm curious about your comment in the HT-WG minutes *work on It will take some time (maybe another year?) to fully develop and flesh out the best list of core concept definitions. We expect the final list to contain 75-150 concepts. It currently contains 28* ... particularly, if in the worst case scenario it took another year, i'm interested to know what can be done concurrently to the generation of the 150 terms ... especially regarding how these concepts are visualised or animated or presented in an ecosystem stack ...

SjirNijssen (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 18:57:09 GMT):
@paulransfield Paul, I recommend you to ask that question to Tracy; she knows best. @tkuhrt

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:05:19 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... it's practical and possible to apply luhmann's 1970's index card to the 150 concepts ... https://www.ft.com/content/0de32666-b9fd-11dd-8c07-0000779fd18c

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:05:19 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... it's practical and possible to apply luhmann's 1970's index card model to the 150 concepts ... https://www.ft.com/content/0de32666-b9fd-11dd-8c07-0000779fd18c ... i do accept that in the 21st century, the index card has become a wiki entry - with rich media properties (audio, image, video) ...

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:05:19 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Zatp5RoNHLR5tHWvh) @SjirNijssen Great ... i like a taxonomy - as it provides a foundation to script development eg if docker isn't in the essential concepts list - then its not within current scope to develop teaching materials for ...

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:05:19 GMT):
Great ... i like a taxonomy - as it provides a foundation for subsequent script development eg if docker isn't in the essential concepts list - then its not within current scope to develop teaching/learning materials for ...

SjirNijssen (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:08:34 GMT):
@paulransfield Paul, I am convinced that the best investement in the knowledge description of Hyperledger platforms is to provide an optimal ratio of declarative and procedural knowledge. Currently I consider the ratio far from optimal. This can best be accomplished, in my experience, by producing separate lists of concepts for the various audiences like end users, decision makers, application and blockchain architects, client application developers, admins, smart contract developers and platform developers. In the T & E WG we have started with the concept list for end users and decision makers. If we move to the next audience, I believe we have to go first to the different platforms. For practical reasons I have started that work for Fabric. For the Fabric architect my estimate is currently between 75 and 150 concepts. I would welcome your cooperation in speeding up that development. I want to express my bias that I am very focussed on quality of understandable declarative and procedural knowledge. The list for the Fabric platform developers will be according to my current estimate, between 600 and 1000 concepts, and that is a very large number of tightly related concepts.

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:19:20 GMT):

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paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:20:38 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... would it be appropriate for the question of what are the essential concepts for a given platform eg hyperledger burrow, to be supplied by the lead developers for the respective project ... the image I've just posted is from 2016/2017 and is in the burrow github repository ... it would be easier for the burrow team to mark this up with red pen with key current concepts

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:32:45 GMT):
alternatively, we can bluntly run python (with or without regular expressions) over a bunch of whitepaper pdf's ... and filter for common terms ... i've done this in the past to count the most frequent terms in english-chinese dictionaries

SjirNijssen (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:35:18 GMT):
@paulransfield Thank you for the suggestions. Let us discuss these one by one. First a little addition to the minutes of the last telecon. My estimate was 75 to 150 concepts **for Fabric architects**. I believe that the concept list for end users and decision makers will stabilize between 30 and 40 concepts; we currently have about 30, and thus we could finish the list of the concepts for the first audience soon. I propose that we will contantly encourage persons to improve that list. The next list to stabilize is for the Fabric Architect. As said above the numbers are different for the different professional groups. I believe the most effective way of developing a concept list for an audience is to observe the communication in that audience community. Hence all facts used by that community are facts about certain things or certain names and thus we need a concept description for that thing or name, unless they can be assumed to be known, and for certain verbs in the facts we need to provide the meaning in a concept definition to avoid misunderstandings. That is the protocol we have followed so far. If there is a better one, I would gladly look at it.

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:39:49 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=dkXLzTp93QgL8Cugt) @SjirNijssen thanks @SjirNijssen ... that's a robust and clear process forward ... ring fencing to 30 concepts in the short term, enables those 30 be developed concurrently to the broader set ... i'll re-read the list supplied and respond later today ...

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 22:26:10 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... just checking, is this the current set of core concept terms for decision makers and end users ... I appreciate the wiki includes definitions for each Set 01_03: List of blockchain core concepts for decision makers and end users 1. Decision maker 2. End user 3. Blockchain 4. Block 5. Chain 6. Hash 7. Enterprise blockchain technology ==== Blockchain for business 8. Permissioned blockchain technology 9. Transaction proposal 10. Transaction 11. Batch 12. State ==== World State ==== Global state 13. Immutablility 14. No single point of failure 15. Distributed decision making 16. Identity of actors known 17. Channel 18. Peer 19. Chaincode 20. Private Data Collections 21. Policies

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 23:47:56 GMT):
Just wondering if there are any terms within the wikipedia description of blockchains that could be added to the list above https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain eg (and in no particular order) • BFT • Cryptography • distributed ledger • record • consensus • merkle tree • proof of work • proof of stake • proof of location (re FOAM) • block time • public key private key

paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 23:56:12 GMT):

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paulransfield (Wed, 08 Aug 2018 23:57:08 GMT):
i've just downloaded a free copy of MITs Technology Review, May/June 2018 edition on 'Blockchain' ... ORACLE are enabling free copies ... I'll scan through this and see if they have put a glossary of terms somewhere ... here's the link if you want to download your own copy ... https://www.technologyreview.com/leadgen/mayjune-2018-the-blockchain-issue/

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paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 00:33:06 GMT):
here's the glossary from the MIT Tech review ... not all terms are relevant ...

fcioanca (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 02:00:49 GMT):
@paulransfield You can definitely let people in the burrow channel that the Hyperledger MOOC on edX has over 104k total enrollments to date, in less than 10 months since it went live. By the way, we are working on a second version of the MOOC, most likely launching at the end of October, and it would be really good if we could add a chapter on Burrow. If there is anybody interested in assisting with that, I would be happy to connect with then and discuss about it. We will be adding new chapters on Indy and Composer, and one on Burrow would be a great addition

SjirNijssen (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 05:56:04 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=wHpwQ9eB4F9Qg3GdJ) @paulransfield Paul, this is a good suggestion, as long as we keep in mind that there is a certain percentage of Wikipedia that does not have the right quality.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 06:02:53 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=zsMsSaq4uLux8ovdC) Pushed a button too quickly excuse me. A return is the chat channel has different semantics from Word! Wrt BFT, my opinion is that end users and decision makers do not discuss the internals of the black box called ordering. That was the reason BFT is not in that list. Wrt Cryptography, I would suggest we may introduce high level definition; what would record mean in this case? Consensus same answer as cryptography. Merkle tree in my opnion definitely not for end users and decison makers. PoW, PoS and PoL same answer as Merkle tree. Block time is a parameter of the ordering service, which is a black boc for end users and decision makers, imho. Node, let us include. Public key and private key, high level, yes. Trust yes and governance yes. Please let me know your opnion.

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 06:04:39 GMT):
hi @SjirNijssen ... guten morgen ... thanks for your response ... I'm off out for dinner ... but very interested in visual ++ audio dictionary ... once a taxonomy of terms is semi-agreed on ...

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 06:12:32 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=6TaGpMrp2ha7MAXMm) @SjirNijssen I like your considered peer-review of the terms ... I'm keen now to mock-up a learning object for some of the initial terms of your list ... say block for example ... this will help determine the quantum of learning content required for a quality learning bite ...

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 06:17:22 GMT):
@SjirNijssen Re quantum of audio ++ video content for quality learning ... i anticipate drawing on the 1970s work of niklas luhmann re index cards ... https://www.ft.com/content/0de32666-b9fd-11dd-8c07-0000779fd18c

SjirNijssen (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 06:59:11 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=qmpHJFADjTmLNcMnC) @paulransfield Paul, I very much welcome your mock-up. May I suggest that you take a look at the section Ledger (it is section 3.9, in chapter 3, Key Concepts of Fabric.) If you look at the third diagram, I believe that is a good start. I have a few suggestions for improvements. I would prefer to have three fields in the header, and not use the directional pointer as this is in my opinion not correct. I further would suggest to use the true id of a block in the chain and that is an integer starting with zero, whether we like that or not is not relevant, it is the truth. I furthermore think that the symbol of transaction should be a rectangle with the right lower corner folded such that there is a clear disctinction between a block represented as a rectangle and a transaction.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 07:01:27 GMT):
@paulransfield I am happy to read "quality learning" as this is in my opinion a major missing aspect in blockchain technology.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:04:25 GMT):
@paulransfield Hi Paul, Once we agree on the contents of a block, I would very much like to make an animation that shows, starting with an empty chain and empty state, how the transactions are processed and appear in a block. I believe that once people understand that clearly, the basis of the data structure aspect of permissioned blockchain is clear and that is a good basis to build up.

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:17:48 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... this link servers two purposes ... 1. it links to one of two instances of the open source discussion mgt platform 'discourse' which I have deployed to two separate domain addresses on two separate digital ocean droplets ... unlike rocket or slack, discourse allows for multithreaded discussions that can include rich media ... this platform is out of scope of our current project but needs to be in the frame if a community of best practice is the end game ...

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:18:04 GMT):
http://memahi.whanau.tv/t/blockchain-distributed-ledger-learning-logs/58

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:20:17 GMT):
2. it contains two videos by Anders Brownworth, who describes the fundamentals of block chains ... I look forward to your thoughts on Anders videos ....

SjirNijssen (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:44:15 GMT):
Hi Paul, Hyperledger is about blockchain for Enterprise, hence for business, schools, universities, government services. For most if not all of these applications there are regulations about the identities and subject to the laws of the land. According to my judgement the Anders demo is not in that realm.

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:49:43 GMT):
ok re Anders video ... would you mind giving me a link to the Fabric chapter re Ledger ... I'm not sure where to look for the material you mention

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:49:43 GMT):
@SjirNijssen thanks for feedback re Anders video ... would you mind giving me a link to the Fabric chapter re Ledger ... I'm not sure where to look for the material you mention

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:57:28 GMT):
is it this section https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.1/fabric_model.html#ledger-features

SjirNijssen (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 12:07:02 GMT):
@paulransfield This is not the section on Fabric Ledger that I meant. There is a separate section in the doc 1.2. I just sent an email with the info.

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 18:57:18 GMT):

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paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 18:57:20 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... thanks for your email and the attached PDF ... can i say, that at a glance the Fabric documentation is well presented and easy to read ... secondly, is this the section you are referring to above

SjirNijssen (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:02:34 GMT):
@paulransfield Paul, I am referring to (Fabric 1.2 docs as sent) page 61, 3.9 with the name Ledger, a section of 8 pages.

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:07:57 GMT):
looking through the 8 pages now ... got to go and get my family up and about ... back online in 2 hours ...

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 20:12:25 GMT):

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paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 20:13:26 GMT):
"If you look at the third diagram, I believe that is a good start. I have a few suggestions for improvements. *I would prefer to have three fields in the header, and not use the directional pointer as this is in my opinion not correct. I further would suggest to use the true id of a block in the chain and that is an integer starting with zero, whether we like that or not is not relevant, it is the truth. I furthermore think that the symbol of transaction should be a rectangle with the right lower corner folded such that there is a clear disctinction between a block represented as a rectangle and a transaction.*"

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 21:05:05 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... when it comes to marking up an image with a red pen, do you have any preferences to tools ... ideally, we're using a collaborative cloud platform, so others can add there own markups and comments ... i'm happy to use google docs - if it has a dedicated image markup tool ... i recommend a dedicated image markup tool over say a word processor, simply because, its more effective going forward to learn a new tool, than it is to mismatch an existing tool (say a word processor) with an unintended use (eg collaborative image markup, comment, review and sign-off) ...

paulransfield (Thu, 09 Aug 2018 21:17:47 GMT):
with this in mind, i have just signed up to the 'free' cloud platform 'draw.io' ... this integrates schematic diagrams with google drive (and other locations) ... and allows collaborative changes and markups ... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ToQBfFJbiWlG5dnTBykW84z--3bYsYFO/view?usp=sharing

SjirNijssen (Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:28:09 GMT):
@paulransfield Paul, I like your proposal. Let us try it out on the concepts block and transaction. I consider you the expert of Educational Technology in our cooperation.

KellyCooper (Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:12:51 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Xrcjbki54r4HpC6MW) @paulransfield FYI- the Hyperledger Slide Template Style Guide: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1hCe8FhzKAjnDx8HUEk9L0wwlzK5OyHCJ and Logos: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bz1YdkaP6DJtSldCdVFJQlRsN2c are utilized for consistent training and education materials development.

atcvince (Fri, 10 Aug 2018 21:58:12 GMT):
Has joined the channel.

paulransfield (Fri, 10 Aug 2018 23:04:21 GMT):

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paulransfield (Fri, 10 Aug 2018 23:04:46 GMT):
@SjirNijssen i'll add commentary after a walk with my wife

rdmross (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 01:16:12 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=J76pYMDvqoJFbD9aw) @KellyCooper I could not find any project list that's current and clear. I went ahead and created a draft candidate at https://trustautomated.com/doku/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=wiki:current_projects

rdmross (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 01:21:11 GMT):
I created a candidate draft for current project list at https://trustautomated.com/doku/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=wiki:current_projects I want to put the table and a link to it on the primary training and education wiki.

rdmross (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 01:26:05 GMT):
I created a candidate draft for project list at https://trustautomated.com/doku/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=wiki:current_projects I want to put a link to it on the primary training and education wiki.

rdmross (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 01:26:05 GMT):
I created a candidate draft for a project list at https://trustautomated.com/doku/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=wiki:current_projects I want to put a link to it on the primary training and education wiki.

rdmross (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 01:26:05 GMT):
I created a candidate draft for a project list at https://trustautomated.com/doku/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=wiki:current_projects When ready, I want to put a link to it on the primary training and education wiki.

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 05:10:26 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=AtLdkc5RiG5v9erNu) @SjirNijssen in no particular order, i'll share the following observations re getting the image to its currents discussion draft state: 1. *Google Docs has a 'Draw' package (that sits alongside, Google Docs, Google Sheets, Google Forms and Google Presentation).* Google Draw has some, but not all of the drawing tools of 'Draw.io' - which I linked to yesterday. Both Google Draw and Draw.io can save working files to Google Drive - which is convenient for collaborative input. Draw.io is more like MS Visio, so has all of the shapes you'd need for visualising flowcharts, information and workflow processes etc For basic schematic drawing, Google Draw is sufficient, but limited - so anticipate augmenting it with standalone graphics applications (Photoshop, Illustrator, Gimp etc) Neither Google Draw nor Draw.io had sufficient capabilities to be able to edit and add the folded corners to the bottom right of each of the block's in the image - for these I used the desktop application Adobe Fireworks (now obsolete) This link is to the initial schematic in Google Draw, that you pointed me at - but with no changes https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/11PUPfd1XmpqxynCTEU6rvyXxWd9uWfcl6fl5IzQ14EE/edit?usp=sharing 2. *Google Presentation has basic 'Draw' capabilities for adding images and shapes to a presentation*. Google Presentation is similar but not as powerful as common presentation desktop applications like MS PowerPoint, Keynote and OpenOffice Presentation Hyperledger has added their default brand graphics and imagery into a Google Presentation file (as is shown in the image below - with the Hyperledger footer) I have copy and pasted the sequence of visual changes to the schematic, as I applied them - one per presentation slide This link is to the Google Presentation with 4 slides, showing the stages of change for the schematic - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1p0eBrkUVmAYaQTlrxxLcxCBLJ6_KZqrPcjZuQcoKWB8/edit?usp=sharing

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:18:50 GMT):
@paulransfield @KellyCooper Hi Paul and Kelly, Let us carefully consider the options. I would like that we treat this like any other product. Namely start with the requirements of the (end) users. I define end users as people that want to learn the essential knowledge of Enterprise grade blockchain technology, while keeping the ratio between declarative (and usually easier to unsterstand) knowledge (structure) and procedural complexity (process) at a healthy optimum. Hence first focus on the quality of the knowledge. The persons that have to produce the declarative knowledge (structure) and the procedural knowledge (process, animation) should be given the freedom to use tools that best satisfy the requirements of the end users of the educational product. My observation of the various documents was that the optimum ratio as mentioned above is so far not achieved. What is critical? That we recognize that there are several different users classes of people wrt Enterprise grade blockchain. We have at least the following: end users, decision makers, application and blockchain architects, admins, client application developers, smart contract developers and platform developers. I have been working on concept lists for these groups for several months now and the numbers are extremely different. Current estimates: End users 30-40, architects 75-150, platform developers 600-1000. Hence a fundamental decision is that we serve the 7 different classes of users in an optimal way. As you may conclude I focus on quality of knowledge and delivering that knowledge in the best possible way. A do myself not consider an expert in educational technology, but I am amazed at what quality of animation some presenters achieve with pptx and some extensions. I hope this is not forbidden territory. Kelly and Paul, please let me have your thoughts on this. Kind regards PS Paul, I am happy to come back to your 5 points above, once I have a clearer idea what you and Kelly think about this.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:28:56 GMT):
@paulransfield Wrt point 3 above the animation for the 30 (to 40) concepts for end users and decision makers, you say: I expect 20 to 30 hours, and 90 maximum. If 90 would be the guaranteed maximum, I am prepared to assemble of group of people to start on that task. Let us carefully select the tools to do this, with priority on the quality of the end product.

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:34:53 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... thanks for your views ... i agree with the intent of your post above re 'Hence a fundamental decision is that we serve the 7 different classes of users in an optimal way. As you may conclude I focus on quality of knowledge and delivering that knowledge in the best possible way. A do myself not consider an expert in educational technology, but I am amazed at what quality of animation some presenters achieve with pptx and some extensions' ... I also agree ... *Let us carefully select the tools to do this, with priority on the quality of the end product.* ... in some respects this will also determine the people who need to be assembled ... Could I also ask that we identify a set of 'pedagogical/andragogical - learning methodologies' - to help guide the delivery aspect of our outcomes ... eg For vocabulary acquisition I'm a big fan of 'Direct Instruction' by Zig Englemann

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:36:50 GMT):
I'm going to set up a Pinterest board and begin curating infographics relating to Blockchain terminology ... with the FinTech bubble over the last couple of years - much of this foundational content has already been crafted ... i accept however, that the vocabulary set for the Hyperledger is in itself nuanced to Enterprise grade scenarios - which is still in its infancy

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:57:46 GMT):
@paulransfield I am a believer in learning by example. I know that in many academic institutions this is not the rule, but our primary mission as T & E WG is to deliver the most effective traning and educational material (of course without any fake knowledge) to the different audiences. Another few rules I have used in my teachings is to give proper attention to the WHY and WHAT it means, and less to syntax. Hence start in the world of the instances, preferably in visual notation that can transformed in textual facts and provide thereafter the needed concept definitions, place the new fact in the context and answer the WHY.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:59:15 GMT):
@paul I would like that we use the two concepts of block and transaction as an illustration of what we are discussing. Is that ok with you?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 07:59:57 GMT):
@paulransfield Paul, the previous message was for you. I may have selected another Paul?

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 08:05:38 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... i agree, lets mockup 'block' and 'transition' ... this will reveal scope of visualisations/animations required, timeframes for peer review, and the various technologies and cloud platforms required to get the job done ... i'm off line till tomorrow ... thanks for your fast feedback ... :)

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 08:05:38 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... i agree with focus on the 'why' ... i also agree lets mockup 'block' and 'transition' ... this will reveal scope of visualisations/animations required, timeframes for peer review, and the various technologies and cloud platforms required to get the job done ... i'm off line till tomorrow ... thanks for your fast feedback ... :)

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 08:16:21 GMT):
but @SjirNijssen I currently make a lot of instructional video ... that includes motion graphics ... I've built a lot of animated PowerPoint presentations in the past - but have moved away from this toolset as more cloud delivery options have emerged ... if you could send me some links of examples of animations you like, I'll better know what it is you have in your minds eye ... it doesn't have to be on topic

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 08:29:15 GMT):
@paulransfield Paul, I am happy to move to whatever toolset you consider superior for reaching our goals.

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 08:36:21 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ka pai - 'tis all good ... the thing I need now are some examples of animated learning content ... I'll be able to tell how they're made ... and, if you like PowerPoint, then you're not alone, so wel'll attempt to include it in the design development cycle for getting the ideas on a common page ...

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 08:38:30 GMT):
@paul I will work on that later today, or tomorrow.

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:28:06 GMT):
pinterest board of blockchain infographics - https://pin.it/j57zkxgk7rc3n6

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:29:23 GMT):
IBM developer code pattern example for asset manager app in fabric ... https://developer.ibm.com/code/patterns/deploy-an-asset-transfer-app-using-blockchain/

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:08:48 GMT):
https://github.com/IBM/android-kubernetes-blockchain?cm_sp=Developer-_-create-an-android-app-with-blockchain-integration-_-Get-the-code

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 17:15:25 GMT):
I recommend every member of the T & E WG to read "An Introduction to Hyperledger" available at https://www.hyperledger.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/HL_Whitepaper_IntroductiontoHyperledger.pdf Kelly, can you please make this an item on the agenda of the next telecon? Thanks

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:45:44 GMT):
Thanks @SjirNijssen ... just read through "An Introduction to Hyperledger" ... its well written, plain english and highlights the 'why' in easy to understand use cases eg HyperLedger Indy for access to health professionals records of ongoing learning

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paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 19:37:23 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... i've updated the block graphic to better reflect your instructions ie transactions have bottom right hand corner folded up; header has room for 3 fields; not sure what you want visualised re connecting blocks - is it just the arrow head you want removed from the dotted connecting line I'd also recommend using Tx1, Tx2 etc instead of T1, T2 as Tx is commonly used for transation

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 19:37:23 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... i've updated the block graphic to better reflect your instructions ie transactions have bottom right hand corner folded up; header has room for 3 fields; not sure what you want visualised re connecting blocks - is it just the arrow head you want removed from the dotted connecting line I'd also recommend - using Tx1, Tx2 etc instead of T1, T2 as Tx is commonly used for transaction - removing the right hand side key, and adding the titles into the graphic editing effort circa 45 min

SjirNijssen (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 21:27:42 GMT):
@paulransfield Paul, the fact that tow different fields in two consecutive blocks are equal, means that we should not use an arrow as that suggests a direction or pointer. I welcome your suggestion of Tx1. Thanks for your effort

paulransfield (Sat, 11 Aug 2018 23:19:29 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... I have added the updated image to the Google Presentation file linked to here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1p0eBrkUVmAYaQTlrxxLcxCBLJ6_KZqrPcjZuQcoKWB8/edit?usp=sharing Google Presentation is similar to MS PowerPoint. Are you able to demonstrate adding text to the last slide - specifically, I'm curious what are the names for the 3 fields in the Header block. I appreciate you can add the 3 text fields directly into chat - but going forward, we need to be working on both platforms (chat and google presentation) ... let me know if this is not an easy step for you, and we'll discuss other pathways forward

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 04:27:10 GMT):
Hi all. My name is Vince Sianghio, and I'm an independent SAP Financials Consultant based out of Raleigh, North Carolina. I started actively researching blockchain technology, specifically Hyperledger, early this year. I've completed several instructor-led (@ York University in Toronto) and online courses. I'd like to help out in any way I can, and I look forward to working with all of you.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:46:59 GMT):
Hi Paul, Thank you for your help. I am happy to try. I opened the file, but how can I insert data in the three fields?

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:58:17 GMT):
@paulransfield see previous message

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:08:25 GMT):
@paulransfield In .../fabric/master/protos/common/ledger.proto the three fields used in the message BlockchainInfo are: height, currentBlockHash and previousBlockHash. In .../protos/common/common.proto#L150 the three fields in the message BlockHeader are number, previous_hash and data_hash. I propose for educational purposes to use the following three field names: blockNumber, previousBlockHash, currentBlockHash. I deliberately exchanged 2 and 3 as this does not result in crossing lines in the diagrams. I am happy to learn to do it myself after I receive the answer to the previous message. If you prefer in the interest of speed to do it, please go ahead.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:15:19 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=b7BKR4Gqajkzntdu2) @atcvince Welcome Vince. I aprreciate your help. Please take a look at the concept definitions for end users and decision makers. I hope we can soon finish this and start on the concept list for application and blockchain architects. The list for end users is here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts Today I hope to work with @Thaddeus and @paulransfield to have v1-0 finished. Please feel free to join on that effort. Let me know which suggestions you have for the first list.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:04:01 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen. Should I go ahead and make changes, and then list them here? Or should I propose the changes first, before making changes to the wiki?

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:23:10 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=THw93GzTZJHopHHgt) @atcvince So far we have worked in a way that first reasons for the change are given just like we do in Fabric, first a proposal then an endorsement and then update of the state. By the way at 1 PM Pacific today we have a conversation in the chat channel with a few people about the first list in the hope to have 1.0 available tomorrow for the telecon. Of course you are cordially invited. If you could describe the why of the changes before I would greatly appreciate.

KellyCooper (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:02:49 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=b7BKR4Gqajkzntdu2) @atcvince Hi Vince. Our next meeting is Monday 8:00 (am) PST: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg if you are available to attend.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:04:29 GMT):
Hi @KellyCooper Barring a last minute change to my schedule, I think I'll be able to attend the call.

KellyCooper (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:07:20 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=nwZXkDfqfHRoC3eyn) @atcvince Great. Here are previous meeting minutes to serve as as context: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit Thanks, Kelly

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:12:41 GMT):
Hi @KellyCooper I chanced upon the meeting minutes as part of my preparation for tomorrow's call. I'd like to hit the ground running... ;-)

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:14:00 GMT):
Also, is it okay for me to make edits to the core concept list or should I wait for a green light from @SjirNijssen?

KellyCooper (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:19:12 GMT):
Sjir is open for edits, you might want to edit and then note a link or change here in Rocket because he likes to engage on ideas.

KellyCooper (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:19:35 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=QiXqzkN3JqvkB5Xmw) @atcvince Sjir is open for edits, you might want to edit and then note a link or change here in Rocket because he likes to engage on ideas.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:21:34 GMT):
Ok, will do just that. Thanks @KellyCooper

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:42:48 GMT):
There is a newer version of the first list of concepts for end users and decision makers available. Additional input received from @Thaddeus and @paulransfield, and the list has been extended thereupon. Thanks guys. To all, please take a look and feel invited to make clear in the channel what you want to be improved.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:55:15 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen I can see the updated version that has additional sections filled out (e.g. PKI, Trust, Governance, etc.)

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 16:00:24 GMT):
I've added text to *Public Key*, *Private Key*, and a second paragraph to *Private Data Collections* sections. Additionally, I've added *Digital Certificate* immediately after Private Key. I did my best to keep the texts "short and sweet". Since I'm new to the process, feedback is greatly appreciated.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 16:04:04 GMT):
... and I updated *Ledger* to refer to the latest version (v1.2)

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 16:44:09 GMT):
With regards to *Membership Service Provider*, I think it's worth mentioning since Membership/MSP is listed as a key concept in Fabric's Read the Docs page. With this in mind, I updated the section as well...

KellyCooper (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 16:57:42 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=wubB5KkjqsmDrh8gt) @atcvince Thanks!

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:00:57 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen. I missed your message about getting endorsement before updating the state. With this in mind, I've backed out my changes and stored them in locally for now. Unfortunately, I replaced the text for MSP so I couldn't revert the change. Apologies for any inconvenience that this may have caused you or anyone else... Will try to be online at 1pm PST but I might have to drop off early since I have a 2pm PST flight.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:05:24 GMT):

Proposed changes to List.txt

KellyCooper (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:19:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=SKtLR26MYZLvMi4fe) @atcvince Thanks Vince. Sjir is in the Netherlands time zone. No worries on the text, Sjir can talk in the meeting about his process. Kelly

paulransfield (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:08:52 GMT):

Clipboard - August 13, 2018 7:08 AM

paulransfield (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:10:58 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... thanks for the field titles ... in the spirit of speed, i've updated the graphic for your review ... and added it here and to the Google Presentation document ... please note, we are very close to an animated graphic ... i can't attend the conference call this morning, please offer my apologies - and let them know I'm enjoying the process ...

paulransfield (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:11:32 GMT):
link to Google Presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1p0eBrkUVmAYaQTlrxxLcxCBLJ6_KZqrPcjZuQcoKWB8/edit?usp=sharing

paulransfield (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:13:39 GMT):

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paulransfield (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:15:33 GMT):

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paulransfield (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:17:46 GMT):

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paulransfield (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:37:28 GMT):
once audio is added to the animation - you have a video ... TedX recommends 140 words per minute for optimal listenability ... for 5 min x 5 frame video - anticipate a 600 word script ...

Thaddeus (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:58:36 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I am here

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:58:59 GMT):
@atcvince Hi Vince, I understand you have a flight to catch. We can repeat the discussion quickly Monday during the telecon, if you wish.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:00:09 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen, I’m here at the airport waiting to board. Will stay on until the flight attendant gives me the evil eye to switch to airplane mode... ;-)

Thaddeus (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:00:49 GMT):
@SjirNijssen we can rescheule for tomorrow if you want. I am also feeling very tired today

Thaddeus (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:03:37 GMT):
Here is a link to the Iroha core concepts for anyone who is interested:

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:03:39 GMT):
@Thaddeus @atcvince If you are tired, let us reschedule. Is this time convenient for Thaddeus and Vince tomorrow or does anybody want a change?

Thaddeus (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:04:00 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEGOzAE5Ci7Wl1Kvf99JWe3FON8cT7wh6lxieFzzhp0/edit?usp=sharing

Thaddeus (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:04:04 GMT):
OK thanks.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:04:23 GMT):
The only thing I have is the proposed changed to the list. If you are okay with the changes I can update the list

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:05:00 GMT):
Most of the changes are appends

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:06:14 GMT):
@atcvince Vince, I have to go through the proposed changes and I will do that tomorrow morning CET time. I will contact you directly thereafter.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:09:59 GMT):
Ok. I tried to keep things short. In my experience working with both management and end user types, the level of attention is inversely proportional to the length of text. It’s a delicate balance...

SjirNijssen (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:13:21 GMT):
@atcvince I agree that we have to take into account the span of attention. Nevertheless I prefer to provide quality as this is badly needed in the blockchain field, is my opninion. I am happy to look at proposals to shorten the lenght of the concept definitions as long as we do not end up in fake knowledge. My experience is that when one provides crystal clear illustrations, the span of attention is fluid.

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:17:29 GMT):
I totally understand and agree with your statement @SjirNijssen

atcvince (Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:23:43 GMT):
I’ll try to be as succinct as possible with my proposals

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 06:35:15 GMT):

Clipboard - August 13, 2018 6:34 PM

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 06:38:17 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... i've updated the schematic to include Tx for transactions ... i look forward to your thoughts on next steps ...

SjirNijssen (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 07:39:46 GMT):
@paulransfield Thanks for the update. I propose to remove B0, B1, B2 and B3. I propose to remove HO three times from block 0, and put it in one time in accordance with D0 and M0. I propose to replace genenis with "configuration". Genesis is a synynym for the entire first block with blocknumber 0. The three fields of block 0 in the header are: 0 ; - (as there is no previous block), 7a2 (an abbreviation for the 64 charachter, or 7...a2, is that fits). The block with number 0 can be read as follows: The block, identified within the application channel with the name org1org2org3, by the integer 0, has in the field hashPreviousBlock the value null, and has as contents of the third field, hashCurrentBlock the value 7...a2. In the first diagram only this block should be there. I like the arrangement and renaming of the transactions. The first 10 transactions correspond with the 10 fabcar transaction in BYFN; I have added 2 transactions Tx10 and Tx11 to make the example more realistic. Can we build up the diagramseries in this way step and step and I am prepared to propose a text that can be corrected by you as English native and can be read by you as voice over. Is that acceptable to you Paul?

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 07:50:57 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... fantastic ... i'll make the changes tomorrow morning (NZ time) ... yes, as per the animated gif image above, we can build the diagram up as a series, with each subsequent diagram being different from the previous - in accordance with the narrative ... if you can start describing the sequence of images, then I can start mocking it up ... I'm enjoying the process, thanks for being a willing Subject Matter Expert (SME) :) the Google Presentation tool is one way of the speaker notes being added to the each of the frames in the animated sequence ... I'll look for a 10min YouTube video on how to use Google Presentation - as this is all the training you'll need in the first instance (otherwise I can talk you through it) ...

SjirNijssen (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 07:54:38 GMT):
@paulransfield Excellent Paul. I plan to produce the text of the first parts later this evening (CET). I hope to meet you at the telecon at 5 PM CET, although I can understand that is for NZ a very inconvenient time.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:04:23 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=rV3MkQpo9focBivW2K) @atcvince Hi Vince, I have processed your proposals. Public key, minor change, moved towards plural for third party as that is the case in the vast majority. Private key, added the use of digital signatures. Digital certificate as proposed; Ledger corrected to 1.2; Private Data Collections added as proposed. Hope to meet you at 8 AM Pacific in the telecon.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:16:54 GMT):
To all: please have a look at the latest version of the concept list for end users and decision makers that contains 37 definitions. Thanks to @Thaddeus, @paulransfield and @atcvince the list has been extended. A point of discussion is whether we have to include in this list the concept of MSP (Membership Service Provider) and then I propose to declare this version 1.0. I hope also that @tkuhrt and @KellyCooper have the time to take a quick look. After we agree on the contents of 1.0, we earlier have agreed to make a planned step by step move to Github.

atcvince (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:52:12 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen Thanks for the review & edits. With regards to MSP, perhaps we should go a level higher and talk about Membership instead? Then within the text of Membership we can mention that Fabric handles it via the MSP? Unfortunately, other than ACLs in Composer, I don’t know the other Projects enough to know how they handle Membership within a Network.

atcvince (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:52:42 GMT):
Looking forward to meeting all of you on today’s call.

atcvince (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:16:43 GMT):

github-git-cheat-sheet.pdf

rdmross (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:41:34 GMT):
Thank you Kelly for being my wing-lady. As for the current project status list, I am working on, Here is what I need: -Project project name (self-describing), link to the project -Name name and email of project liaison -Latest Status the latest task you got done with date finished. My email is in the last item in the project list. The link to it is at the bottom of the work groups main wiki, current projects. (https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/current_projects) All contributors deserve to have their efforts visible to everyone.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 17:48:08 GMT):
@paulransfield Hi Paul, I propose that we start the animation with a diagram containing an empty blockchain. We do remark that Fabric is so far the only platform that provides several private blockchains (1-1 associated with the concept channel) in one and the same Fabric network. We start the animation for one specific channel, and the contents of the blockchain is empty. Fabric stores in the first block, identified by the number 0 (see the first field in the header), configuration information. The second field in the header is the hash of the previous block; as there is no previous block for block 0, this field is null. The third field contains the hash of the contents of the data section of block 0. As we do not have the space to represent the 64 characters in the diagram, we abbreciate the value of the third field to 7...a2. Hence as we store the first block (block 0), there is no link. In block 1 we see that the data section of the block contains 5 transactions. These 5 transactions are copied from the fabcar example in the Build Your First Network section of the Fabric 1.2 documentation. The first field in the header of block 2 contains the number 1; the second field, hashPreviousBlock contains the value 7...a2. Hence the value of the second field of the header of block 1 is equal to the value of the third field of the header of block 0. The hash of the data section of the block with number 1 (the second block) is b...87. Is this helpful? Paul please feel totally free to correct my Dutch English. I look forward to the work that you planned.

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:09:54 GMT):

Clipboard - August 14, 2018 7:09 AM

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:14:58 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... i've updated the schematic ... please review as not sure about the 7...a2 in B1 ... and have added 7...a2 to legend and not sure if calling it a 64 character hash is correct ... i've retained the B0 - B3, but put them above the block ... i've also give a little more room between each block - to support readability ... for future reference each iteration has taken about 45 minutes to complete ... so its taken us about 2 hours to get to here ... essential time, as this graphic is the basis to your narrative ... now is the time to make any changes - because once we get to video (audio + graphic + sequenced image) ... the time to update is exponentially longer ...

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:14:58 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... i've updated the schematic ... please review as not sure about the 7...a2 in B1 ... and have added 7...a2 to legend and not sure if calling it a 64 character hash is correct ... i've retained the B0 - B3, but put them above the block ... i've also give a little more room between each block - to support readability ... for future reference each iteration has taken about 45 minutes to complete ... so its taken us about 2 hours to get to here ... essential time, as this graphic is the basis to your narrative ... now is the time to make any changes - because once we get to video (script + audio + time sequenced images) ... the time to update is exponentially longer ...

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:14:58 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... i've updated the schematic ... please review as not sure about the 7...a2 in B1 ... and have added 7...a2 to legend and not sure if calling it a 64 character hash is correct ... i've retained the B0 - B3, but put them above the block ... i've also give a little more room between each block - to support readability ... for future reference each iteration has taken about 45 minutes to complete ... so its taken us about 2 hours to get to here ... essential time, as this graphic is the basis to your narrative ... now is the time to make any changes - because once we get to video (script + audio + time sequenced images) ... the time to update is exponentially longer ... also could you give the entire 64 character string ... we can include it in the image sequence, and its useful to demystify hash strings if we show 0 = 7xosdjla3nllalfjsldfw435g26

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:21:37 GMT):
btw ... just begun the second of the edX Hyperledger MOOCs ... since their first series, which was a video interview approach ... they now are using video + motion graphics ... as you see, there's a lot more moving parts with instructional video incorporating motion graphics ... as expected the balance or educational goal being to use motion graphics to enhance learner engagement, retention and topic/module/course completion ...

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:21:37 GMT):
btw ... just begun the second of the edX Hyperledger MOOCs ... since their first series, which was a video interview approach ... they now are using video + motion graphics ... as you see, there's a lot more moving parts with instructional video incorporating motion graphics ... where the balance or educational goal with incorporating motion graphics with instructional video is to enhance learner engagement, retention and topic/module/course completion ...

SjirNijssen (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:27:54 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=REAAfZoevYnj93iDE) @paulransfield Hi Paul, This is progress. Please that the green away on the right side of B3. I believe a link symbool (the elements of a traditional chain) would give a better impression than the green dotted line connection. In the animation we should start with block 0 and give all the facts represented in the diagram and where useful some rules that apply. regards

SjirNijssen (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:29:28 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ExsfR7i8kCFWLqL7K) @paulransfield Paul, indeed we could show in a popup the 64 character field. Good suggestion.

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:37:12 GMT):

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paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:38:15 GMT):
i'm offline for several hours :) ... add suggestions for changes into chat

paulransfield (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:41:33 GMT):

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SjirNijssen (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:32:33 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Wvj8NtFTXsN3cxhnP) @paulransfield Paul, I believe we need to take more time per frame such that each frame can be discussed longer in the voice over. By the way which software are you using to produce this? I sent earlier today a preliminary text intended as basis for a voice over.

KellyCooper (Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:53:55 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=xYDGAwgjTRqwxrQSg) @rdmross Thanks, I will work on it in my morning. :)

paulransfield (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 00:18:25 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=z9rCKaviGhi3qbA8m) @SjirNijssen @SjirNijssen ... yes, I agree, a 5 sec per frame, frame rate is far to fast ... we'll align the frame transition timeframes, to your narrative ... i've made the animated gif in Adobe Fireworks - which Adobe no longer support or supply ... Adobe Photoshop will create animated gifs, and I expect that Gimp, the open source image editing software, would also do so - but I haven't had to use Gimp for this task ... For co-design purposes, Google Presentation will allow you to see a frame (or image), and then add the speakers notes to the bottom of the screen ... To add audio, we have to use another software product eg Adobe After Effects or Adobe Premier (or open source equivalent) ... and going forward, we can choose to build the video in a cloud platform I like called animatron eg https://www.animatron.com/studio/project/a002405bb722039b5dbedf65

paulransfield (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 00:18:25 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=z9rCKaviGhi3qbA8m) @SjirNijssen @SjirNijssen ... yes, I agree, a 5 sec per frame, frame rate is far to fast ... we'll align the frame transition timeframes, to your narrative ... i've made the animated gif in Adobe Fireworks - which Adobe no longer support or supply ... Adobe Photoshop will create animated gifs, and I expect that Gimp, the open source image editing software, would also do so - but I haven't had to use Gimp for this task ... For co-design purposes, Google Presentation will allow you to see a frame (or image), and then add the speakers notes to the bottom of the screen ... To add audio, we have to use another video production software product eg Adobe After Effects or Adobe Premier (or open source equivalent) ... and going forward, we can choose to build the video in a cloud platform I like called animatron eg https://www.animatron.com/studio/project/a002405bb722039b5dbedf65

paulransfield (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 00:20:03 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... please note, the animated video I linked to is for second language acquisition, where I estimate you need about 14,400 words under your belt to firstly get your first national qualification (at age 15 in NZ), and then be able to progress onto a doctorate ... I mention this, because I agree that this space will require 1,000+ terms to be defined ...

paulransfield (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 00:20:03 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... please note, the animated video I linked to is for second language acquisition, where I estimate you need about 14,400 words under your belt to firstly get your first national qualification (at age 15 in NZ), and then be able to progress onto a doctorate ... I mention this, because I agree that the blockchain space will require 1,000+ terms to be defined ... for that reason, starting with the first 30 is the best next step ...

kapilV (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 00:21:42 GMT):
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atcvince (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 01:16:22 GMT):

git-cheat-sheet-education.pdf

atcvince (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 01:48:21 GMT):
@KellyCooper @Thaddeus I tried to look around for a Docker cheat sheet but the ones I've seen (so far) are a bit dated. They still show the command *docker run* instead of *docker container run*. Both commands work, but the latter is more consistent with other Docker commands (e.g. *docker image ...*, *docker network ...*, *docker volume ...*, etc.). I've reached out to some folks to see if they've come across anything more recent.

atcvince (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:29:34 GMT):
@Bobbijn When I went to fill up the survey, the text of some of the questions were missing. Using the previous responses, I filled in the missing data. Thought it best to let you know.

atcvince (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:39:47 GMT):
Also, the last question of the survey asked if one can attend/support the WG at the Global Forum. With this in mind, what are the expectations from the WG during said Forum? Apologies in advance if this question has previously been asked and addressed...

paulransfield (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 05:43:10 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... regarding a tutorial on Google Presentation ... this one is 12 minutes long https://youtu.be/kYA6GLAzz9A - 4min mark for adding images - 5min mark for inserting videos - 6min mark for inserting shapes - 7:30 min mark for line options - 10 min mark for animations - 11min mark for collaborating and sharing - 11:15 min mark for adding markups and comments Doesn't cover off 'Adding Speaker Notes' - but you can see the text entry pane at the bottom of the screen on every slide ... this is where generally you add the speaker notes for the slide - which you can read from while your audience is watching a given slide ... its this area that I would like you to put the text you want to talk to for a given slide Here's the link to the Google Presentation, with Edit enabled, so that you can speaker notes: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1p0eBrkUVmAYaQTlrxxLcxCBLJ6_KZqrPcjZuQcoKWB8/edit?usp=sharing

paulransfield (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 05:43:10 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen ... regarding a tutorial on Google Presentation ... this one is 12 minutes long https://youtu.be/kYA6GLAzz9A - 4min mark for adding images - 5min mark for inserting videos - 6min mark for inserting shapes - 7:30 min mark for line options - 10 min mark for animations - 11min mark for collaborating and sharing - 11:15 min mark for adding markups and comments Doesn't cover off 'Adding Speaker Notes' - but you can see the text entry pane at the bottom of the screen on every slide ... this is where generally you add the speaker notes for the slide - which you can read from while your audience is watching a given slide ... its this area that I would like you to put the text you want to talk to for a given slide Here's the link to the Google Presentation, with Edit enabled, so that you can add draft speaker notes: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1p0eBrkUVmAYaQTlrxxLcxCBLJ6_KZqrPcjZuQcoKWB8/edit?usp=sharing Where the word count within the speaker notes will determine the duration of a slide (estimate a speaking rate of 140 words per minute)

KellyCooper (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 17:23:35 GMT):
Hi all. Please see @Thaddeus (thanks!) draft of edX/GitHub steps and add any comments. @tkuhrt please also see the note in red mid page. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T6BG1FmdPvcON1CzIfZyfqR0rwEhuFM7qR2-QhUgog4/edit

KellyCooper (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 17:23:35 GMT):
Hi all. Please see @Thaddeus (thanks!) draft of edX/GitHub steps and add any comments. @tkhhut please also see the note in red mid page. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T6BG1FmdPvcON1CzIfZyfqR0rwEhuFM7qR2-QhUgog4/edit

manuvarghese (Tue, 14 Aug 2018 22:18:29 GMT):
Has joined the channel.

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 01:32:29 GMT):
Hi @Thaddeus, reviewed the document and even with my basic Github skills, it was easy to follow. @tkuhrt, or any other repository owner, can I please request for an invite to collaborate on hyperleger/education?

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 01:33:40 GMT):
my Github ID is *atc-vince*

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 02:52:20 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen. If we're unsure about the inclusion of MSP for decision makers / end users, should we go with *Membership Services* instead? Fabric's Read the Docs page has a good description https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.2/glossary.html#membership-services

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 02:52:20 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen . If we're unsure about the inclusion of MSP for decision makers / end users, should we go with *Membership Services* instead? Fabric's Read the Docs page has a good description https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.2/glossary.html#membership-services

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 03:25:27 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen I made an attempt to list the core concepts for architects/consultants and adminstrators

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 03:25:55 GMT):

Additional Key Concepts.txt

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 03:26:22 GMT):
It's a work in progress...

SjirNijssen (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:00:40 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=vXkcYL6Lq4GZhsqX4) @atcvince Hi Vince, Thank you very much for the list. I recollect that we agreed that we make the Architect first platform specific and the first one for Fabric. Is that what you had in mind?

SjirNijssen (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:15:28 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=TqMn9Q6ffY5YcQyjb) @atcvince Hi Vince, I believe it would be clearer if we made a list for the three kinds of administrators in Fabric, namely Network, Channel and Organization. It may happem that some are combined in a practical situation, but it are different resposibilities. What do you think?

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:10:45 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen agree on making architect/consultant section platform specific. Specifically for Fabric, I also agree on creating subsections. Additionally, should Ordering Service be a separate section or will it be part of Network or Channel?

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:27:56 GMT):
With regards to the list I sent, I started with Fabric’s Glossary, and then later mixed in other items (e.g. consensus mechanisms of other projects). Can separate the non-Fabric items later today (when I’m off work)

KellyCooper (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:46:13 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=bgMkSFgj9DB7NZcjw) Link change: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qp04FLMcIt97ZIRACg4HeSIxsnzFxRx1jaRgjeLUMuw/edit?usp=sharing

SjirNijssen (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:54:53 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=hWwLOBr5ZufkVVkSTy) @atcvince Hi Vince, I appreciate that we agree on a platform specific list of concepts for the Application and Blockchain Architect. What do you mean by the term topic here?

Thaddeus (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:12:32 GMT):
Thanks. I see Tracy's notes and they make sense. My use case was based on the path of least resistance and informed by the way new users can commit to the W3C COGA repository, however, in that repo there are only a very limited number of extremely vetted contributors. I will update the doc.

Thaddeus (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:15:00 GMT):
Also in that other repo we need to consider the accessibility implications of using the tool

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:36:01 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen I was wondering if the administration of the Ordering Service falls under the scope of Network administrator or if it should have its own...

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:31:04 GMT):

Permissioned+Blockchains+Taxonomy+0001_x.mp4

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:33:43 GMT):
morena - good morning @SjirNijssen ... this 20 second video, has placeholder backing audio ... please note - for videos to be able to be shared/distributed via twitter, then they need to be 2min max long - circa 300 words ...

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:33:43 GMT):
morena - good morning @SjirNijssen ... this 20 second video, has placeholder backing audio ... please note: - for videos to be able to be shared/distributed via twitter, then they need to be 2min max long - circa 300 words ... - the scientist character is a stock figure from Adobe Character Animator, and can be animated to move in sync to an audio track and have his arms move etc

SjirNijssen (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:56:00 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=cmiLsfgrwRwLjl2KDu) @atcvince Hi Vince, soon there will be a different ordering subsystem. I believe we should focus on that one.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:57:53 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=RCiWCSgKBNbA6yg8p) @paulransfield Hi Paul, Interesting step forward. My proposal would be to use many more intermediate diagrams as I believe people much easier remember diagrams than tekst. What do you think? If it helps, I could make the tekst associated with the first say 10 diagrams.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:00:17 GMT):
@paulransfield I must have made a mistake in the response options. See above with my answer to you under atcvince.

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:07:59 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... thanks for your prompt and considered response ... I appreciate we are moving at pace with the mockup's and have in this one iteration moved from sequenced image to video ... i agree with you ... keep chunking the graphic down into usefully small chunks of knowledge/information ... and standardise the chunk size, so that the audience gets used to being able to consume the chunk ... thats why I mentioned the 2 minute twitter video chunk of 300 words ... so, maybe that's a guide to the number of images we require - ie rather than saying we need another 10, could we say we need another 10 x 300 word narratives to support the 10 diagrams? no rush to reply ... but I'm enjoying the process :) but, as being demonstrated - going forward we can resize, reuse, reframe, remake images to suit the narrative

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:07:59 GMT):
@SjirNijssen ... thanks for your prompt and considered response ... I appreciate we are moving at pace with the mockup's and have in this one iteration moved from sequenced image to video ... i agree with you ... keep chunking the graphic down into usefully small chunks of knowledge/information ... and standardise the chunk size, so that the audience gets used to being able to consume the chunk ... thats why I mentioned the 2 minute twitter video chunk of 300 words ... so, maybe that's a guide to the number of images we require - ie rather than saying we need another 10, could we say we need another 10 x 300 word narratives to support the 10-30 diagrams? no rush to reply ... but I'm enjoying the process :) but, as being demonstrated - going forward we can resize, reuse, reframe, remake images to suit the narrative and to scale from 30 to 1000 terms ... we need templates and production metrics ... plus peer review processes ++ a permissioned blockchain layer ref: where learnable chunks are 'digital learning objects' which are conceptually equivalent to what docker does for standardised intergratable containers of code

KellyCooper (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:51:09 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=gT5LSuXeo8wsQRHuz) @atcvince Great! So awesome to see so much activity!

KellyCooper (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:51:09 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=JED4Aswur2pr3kgSd) @Thaddeus Thanks! Much appreciated.

KellyCooper (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:54:56 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=TvZ94aGeXGcA6GKFp) @paulransfield Please keep devices in mind. Many will view, especially internationally, on their mobile. Can the 'guy' fade out and the graphic cover most of the screen for most of the video? Screen real estate on bottom third and right quarter can be the blockchain image. Whether with a fade or zoom. Or, see how this plays on your mobile and determine if the graphic readability is prominent. Great work all. Thanks, Kelly

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:27:25 GMT):
@KellyCooper ... thanks for your feedback ... i agree that the space to the right hand side of the video window, where the claymation technician is standing, could be used for the whiteboard to expand into ... generally, the first 5 to 10 seconds, allows for the presenter to introduce themselves, and then they can fade away, and the whiteboard can scale to full screen ... i've testing this layout in my workplace where mobile user base is front and foremost, but i've retested by downloading the video from chat, and uploading into twitter ... the audio works, and the graphics are too small - but without the narrative or spoken word audio, its difficult to generalise about the size of the graphics ... but going forward, optimising readability for mobile is a peer review consideration ... here is the link for you to test on your mobile phone ... https://twitter.com/kapai_tv/status/1029869576744361984 ... i'll delete the tweet in 24 hours - I don't have a large group of followers (only 75) - but its only a draft and its better not being left out in the wild ...

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:27:25 GMT):
@KellyCooper ... thanks for your feedback ... i agree that the space to the right hand side of the video window, where the claymation technician is standing, could be used for the whiteboard to expand into ... generally, the first 5 to 10 seconds, allows for the presenter to introduce themselves, and then they can fade away, and the whiteboard can scale to full screen ... i've testing this layout in my workplace where mobile user base is front and foremost, but i've retested by downloading the video from chat, and uploading into twitter ... the audio works, and the graphics are too small - but without the narrative or spoken word audio, its difficult to generalise about the size of the graphics ... but going forward, optimising readability for mobile is a peer review consideration ... here is the link for you to test on your mobile phone ... https://twitter.com/kapai_tv/status/1029869576744361984 ... i'll delete the tweet in 24 hours - I don't have a large group of followers (only 75) - but the video is only a draft for testing and its better not being left out in the wild ...

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:27:25 GMT):
@KellyCooper ... thanks for your feedback ... i agree that the space to the right hand side of the video window, where the claymation technician is standing, could be used for the whiteboard to expand into ... generally, the first 5 to 10 seconds, allows for the presenter to introduce themselves, and then they can fade away, and the whiteboard can scale to full screen ... i've testing this layout in my workplace where mobile user base is front and foremost, but i've retested by downloading the video from chat, and uploading into twitter ... the audio works, and the graphics are too small - but without the narrative or spoken word audio, its difficult to generalise about the size of the graphics ... but going forward, optimising readability for mobile is a peer review consideration ... here is the link for you to test on your mobile phone ... https://twitter.com/kapai_tv/status/1029869576744361984 ... i've viewed it on my entry level 3 year old huawei phone and it plays as I'd expect ... i'll delete the tweet in 24 hours - I don't have a large group of followers (only 75) - but the video is only a draft for testing and its better not being left out in the wild ...

paulransfield (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:27:25 GMT):
@KellyCooper ... thanks for your feedback ... i agree that the space to the right hand side of the video window, where the claymation technician is standing, could be used for the whiteboard to expand into ... generally, the first 5 to 10 seconds, allows for the presenter to introduce themselves, and then they can fade away, and the whiteboard can scale to full screen ... the bottom third has the footer, and generally this is hidden by the video play controllers - until the video play controllers autohide ... i've testing this layout in my workplace where mobile user base is front and foremost, but i've retested by downloading the video from chat, and uploading into twitter ... the audio works, and the graphics are too small - but without the narrative or spoken word audio, its difficult to generalise about the size of the graphics ... but going forward, optimising readability for mobile is a peer review consideration ... here is the link for you to test on your mobile phone ... https://twitter.com/kapai_tv/status/1029869576744361984 ... i've viewed it on my entry level 3 year old huawei phone and it plays as I'd expect ... i'll delete the tweet in 24 hours - I don't have a large group of followers (only 75) - but the video is only a draft for testing and its better not being left out in the wild ...

atcvince (Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:59:26 GMT):
@paulransfield video played great on a 2yr old iPhone (7+ 256GB running on iOS 11.4)

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 00:56:55 GMT):
thanks @atcvince ... do you have a linkedin profile i can have a look at ... its a quick way to get to know someone online ... here's mine https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-ransfield-949a121b/

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:00:21 GMT):
Hi @paulransfield sent you an invite to connect on LinkedIn. Here's mine... https://www.linkedin.com/in/atcvince/

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:01:13 GMT):
By the way, great work on the video...

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:01:32 GMT):
fantastic ... i'm off-line for next 6 hours :)

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:02:27 GMT):
I'll hold the fort down then... will be on for at least another 3 before I call it a night...

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:03:01 GMT):
Trying my best not to butcher the Markdown stuff... ;-)

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:09:01 GMT):

Clipboard - August 16, 2018 1:09 PM

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:09:04 GMT):
Kapai ... Have you had a look through the IBM Hyperledger webpages re terminology both general and specific ... eg https://developer.ibm.com/code/patterns/ ... i particularly like their tech stack schematics ... btw ... my first degree was chemical and process engineering ... back in the day ...

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:42:18 GMT):
@paulransfield it'sironic that I took Mechanical Engineering because I wanted nothing to do with Accounting... ;-)

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:42:18 GMT):
@paulransfield it's ironic that I took Mechanical Engineering because I wanted nothing to do with Accounting... ;-)

Thaddeus (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:01:45 GMT):
Is it possible for us to get in the habit of assigning ourselves to issues? For example I created the following issue:

Thaddeus (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:01:46 GMT):
https://github.com/hyperledger/education/issues/67

Thaddeus (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:02:27 GMT):
And had all the work prepared on my local machine but started seeing a bunch of commits come in

Thaddeus (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:03:03 GMT):
I will unassign myself to this

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:04:47 GMT):
@KellyCooper @tkuhrt @Thaddeus completed Markdown for *Chapter 3. The Promise of Business Blockchain Technologies* https://github.com/hyperledger/education/blob/import-edx-content/LFS171x/docs/the-promise-of-business-blockchain-technologies.md

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 05:09:19 GMT):
@Thaddeus that might have been me... I was doing the markdown for Chapter 3, and I added a subfolder under images.

Kwaks (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:10:53 GMT):
Has joined the channel.

KellyCooper (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:11:16 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=eEyxN9fm7sHvFYRsD) @paulransfield Looks great. The details in the graphic are so good I want to see them more closely. I wonder if it makes sense to end with something like a 'link' that encircles the first section and allows viewers to opt to a second video that is a closeup in of that section, and through the next sections one at a time. The first, then, would have him offering the graphic, the next ones are the details of each section. The same voice could continue. Okay Paul, everyone is a 'movie critic' so feel free to ignore this post. It could be a different approach works well for closeups :)

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:03:03 GMT):
Hi all. In classes/meetups I’ve attended, there’s some confusion regarding Fabric’s *execute-order-validate* architecture. Not sure if it’s already planned for, but a video showing the flow of a sample transaction could be very helpful.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:55:54 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=4pnfRwJqL37uvah981) @atcvince We can make the transaction flow crystal clear. In my opinion it is clearly described in v1.2 docs chapter three , section from 3.7.7 onwards till the end of 3.7. It has been there, I guess, since end of March 2018. Regards

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:30:20 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen Coincidentally, I’m presenting the diagrams in Section 3.7.7 at a Meetup this Saturday. I just thought that transaction flows would be ideal candidates for a short video sometime in the future.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:01:37 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=2lqp54ZLtNTN4ftUvS) @atcvince Hi Vince, Maybe it is useful I receive your email address. Mine is: Sjir.Nijssen@PNA-group.com Regards

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:02:50 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen @KellyCooper, @atcvince ... thanks for the prompt feedback ... and I'm pleased to report back, that everything suggested can be implemented ... just to reaffirm, *concurrent* to the work on the prioritised list of terms required to understand hyperledgers blockchain stack ... a group of us, will mockup templates for animating the static visual content required ... with the initial focus being 'agnostic permissioned blockchain' and 'transaction' ... thanks to @SjirNijssen's willingness to share - and the range of visualisation technologies available , we are *rapidly* unfolding a process ... which highlights several of the known content production bottlenecks ... if as we'd like to see, more video's produced at pace ... then, I'd suggest drafting and tabling your 300 word scripts earlier rather later ... as these, inform the graphics to be used - which take time to mould and fold ...

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:07:25 GMT):
i've been given the greenlight at work (a .govt.nz) to stand up a blockchain POC using Hyperledger Indy ... this will take a couple of day before the end of september ... use case, managing credential workflow, including glocal content supply chain ...

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:07:25 GMT):
i've been given the greenlight at work (a .govt.nz) to stand up a blockchain POC using Hyperledger Indy (ie expect on a digital ocean droplet) ... this will take a couple of day before the end of september ... use case, managing credential workflow, including glocal content supply chain ...

KellyCooper (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:08:48 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=v33ZwawLYAS7QdbXT) @paulransfield Excellent!

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:09:57 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen I've sent you an email. For the others, I have a specific email for my Hyperledger stuff and it's atchyperledger@gmail.com

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:11:41 GMT):
@paulransfield that's great news! Good luck and let us know how it turns out!

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:14:23 GMT):
thanks for your encouragement ... the IBM Hyperledger code patterns for Indy etc, made it possible for me to make the pitch ...

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:14:23 GMT):
thanks for your encouragement ... the IBM Hyperledger code patterns for Indy etc, made it possible for me to make the pitch ... ++ the Hyperledger White Paper from July, that @SjirNijssen recommended we all read ... much easier pitching IBM for supporting an enterprise solution - than ethereum ...

paulransfield (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:14:23 GMT):
thanks for your encouragement ... the IBM Hyperledger code patterns for Indy etc, made it possible for me to make the pitch ... ++ the Hyperledger White Paper from July, that @SjirNijssen recommended we all read ... and in my workplace, much easier pitching IBM for supporting an enterprise solution - than ethereum ...

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:15:34 GMT):
@KellyCooper @tkuhrt @Thaddeus is there a review process that should take place prior to creating a Pull Request? Or is the creation of the Pull Request the trigger for the review? Please advise. Thanks in advance.

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:15:34 GMT):
@KellyCooper @tkuhrt @Thaddeus is there or review process that should take place prior to creating a Pull Request? Or is the creation of the Pull Request the trigger for the review? Please advise. Thanks in advance.

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:36:10 GMT):
+1 on @SjirNijssen 's whitepaper recommendation

KellyCooper (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:37:06 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=T9opcfwDx8sdT5xFB) @atcvince All materials are reviewed by Tracy, before publication. As QA and because Tracy works across the groups and can oversee conflicts of interpretation. We're noting the basics here, although it's not quite done. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qp04FLMcIt97ZIRACg4HeSIxsnzFxRx1jaRgjeLUMuw/edit?usp=sharing

KellyCooper (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:38:19 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=fEvNpFMNJKbCsxtop) Vince, I see you're already on that document. I'm leaving the link in case anyone else wondered. I'll also look into your image request.

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:40:50 GMT):
@KellyCooper thanks. I got to Step 24, and have been making commits directly to the *import-edx-content* branch. Now that markdown (of Chapter 3) is done, I wasn't sure if I should have created a Pull Request. Thought it best to ask first...

KellyCooper (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 20:04:39 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ZKw4xjiDk2uwQzkkv) @atcvince @tkuhrt I don't want to misstep here. Can you advise on Vince's question and I'll edit the Google Doc as such.

atcvince (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 20:26:19 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=yq4kjpM5gbzJSpmHj) @KellyCooper @KellyCooper @tkuhrt Since I was copying/formatting LFS171x material, I figured that it was okay to directly commit to the branch. However, if a future project/task calls for the creation of new material, I'd lean towards creating a new/separate branch.

KellyCooper (Thu, 16 Aug 2018 20:30:25 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=K83y8i8q63YqiNMsx) @atcvince I asked Tracy to respond in Messages. She oversees all communities so may be working on something else at the moment and will check in later.

nathalie-ckc (Sat, 18 Aug 2018 03:13:00 GMT):
@atcvince previously @tkuhrt sent out these instructions: https://tkuhrt.github.io/git-workflow/. @KellyCooper , maybe they should go in the google doc? (I’m on public transit right now, so can’t add)

atcvince (Sat, 18 Aug 2018 04:38:25 GMT):
Thanks @nathalie-ckc I've made a note of the link for future reference. When I was working on Issue #46, I was following the instructions from the Google Doc. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qp04FLMcIt97ZIRACg4HeSIxsnzFxRx1jaRgjeLUMuw/edit

atcvince (Sat, 18 Aug 2018 04:42:14 GMT):
Since the .md file was empty, and I was copying existing content, I made my edits directly in the *import-edx-content* branch (as per Step 18 of the instructions)

nathalie-ckc (Sat, 18 Aug 2018 04:47:30 GMT):
@KellyCooper : I added a comment in the google doc for where I think the git-workflow link should go. Without having worked with git via web or Windows interfaces before, I suspect the process is assuming developers who normally use git from a Linux environment with command line.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:18:43 GMT):
To all members of the T & E WG: I propose not to include MSP in the concept list for end users and decision makers and declare the current list v1.0. Reason: it is obvious that membership somehow must be managed in a block box for end users and decision makers. Please let me know your reactions to this proposal.

atcvince (Sun, 19 Aug 2018 00:46:36 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen I’m okay with the proposal.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:19:23 GMT):
@atcvince Hi Vince, Wrt to your proposed list of concepts for Fabric architects. I believe it is essential that we know which tasks a Fabric Architect has to perform. That makes a clear list of white and black boxes and then we have a rule to guide us in the selection process. In my view the Fabric architect is the direct contact between the business decision makers and other professionals, later in the development process such as admins, application developers and smart contract developers. Do we agree on that point of view? If yes, then your proposal for the concept "Use case" for Fabric architect is agreed. I believe another aspect of that job is to be able to design the network, the channels, the private data collections and the endorsement policies. Let me pause here and invite every member of the WG to give his considerations on this message.

atcvince (Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:52:09 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen Yes, we agree with the point of view. It would be helpful if the Architect role is clearly defined in terms of responsibilities as well as expected deliverables (with other roles to follow). I look forward to hearing the feedback from the other Members of the WG.

SjirNijssen (Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:32:16 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=iMylUQNxTKYBt9l6t0) @atcvince The Fabric architect is the intermediary between the mgt of an org and the admins, the client devs and smart contract devs. He/she needs to have a good understanding of the Fabric elements and their interaction. Hence he needs to be able to speak the language of the mgt of the org as well as the language used by the adminsm client app devs and smart contract devs. What do you think of this view? Of course all members of the T & E WG are invited to bring in their view.

nathalie-ckc (Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:59:56 GMT):
@atcvince @KellyCooper @Thaddeus I just submitted a PR & had a few minutes before an appointment, so I jotted these high-level notes down in case they are helpful: https://github.com/nathalie-ckc/education/wiki/How-I-create-a-markdown-file-for-the-hyperledger-education-repo-import-edx-content-branch. They aren't intended to be step-by-step, but more high level & assume prior command line & git experience. Intended audience is my future self, when I've forgotten what I did before :grin:

atcvince (Mon, 20 Aug 2018 22:57:16 GMT):
Hi @tkuhrt For Chapter 3, I followed the Github Markdown instructions. After the changes were made, @nathalie-ckc sent me a link to the workflow. What I’ll do is undo the changes, and recreate them using the workflow procedure. Please note that this will include the corresponding images as well. Will try to work on them tonight.

atcvince (Mon, 20 Aug 2018 23:03:23 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen I agree with the view.

atcvince (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:27:36 GMT):
Hi @tkuhrt @nathalie-ckc saw that write access was deactivated, so I couldn’t revert the direct commits (to Chapter 3) last night. I’d like to request for guidance on how to proceed, and I’m okay with starting over using correct process. Still relatively new to Github...

SjirNijssen (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:37:52 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=vQCcMZPTR30It4OiYX) @atcvince That is good to read. Let us apply progressive disclosure. In my view the Fabric architect must be able to design the network, with the consortia, the orgs, the channels, the peers, the orderers. He/she also must be able to specify the policies. Do we have a common view here?

KellyCooper (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:37:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=MVkiXOnNT1x3itcR7H) @atcvince I will go through all we have today and combine/test. It's really Tracy's call. Nathalie referred me to a document Tracy previously set up. I'll see if I can make sense of it today but we may need to wait until Monday to have Tracy review and finalize. More to come later today. Thanks Vince. Hang in there. Kelly

KellyCooper (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:37:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=MVkiXOnNT1x3itcR7H) @atcvince I will go through all we have today and combine/test. It's really Tracy's call. There are a few documents in play now. 1) Nathalie: https://github.com/nathalie-ckc/education/wiki/How-I-create-a-markdown-file-for-the-hyperledger-education-repo-import-edx-content-branch 2) GDrive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qp04FLMcIt97ZIRACg4HeSIxsnzFxRx1jaRgjeLUMuw/edit?usp=sharing 3) Thaddeus is working on one too. We may need to wait until Monday when Tracy is on the call and spend time to identify what she prefers. I created a GDoc with the notes Tracy previously posted: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16sZG63bI56OYGunXLGP3JIMX-eVuBj8S_1EZXnRALfM/edit?usp=sharing

KellyCooper (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:37:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=MVkiXOnNT1x3itcR7H) @atcvince I will go through all we have today and combine/test. It's really Tracy's call. There are a few documents in play now. 1) Nathalie: https://github.com/nathalie-ckc/education/wiki/How-I-create-a-markdown-file-for-the-hyperledger-education-repo-import-edx-content-branch 2) GDrive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qp04FLMcIt97ZIRACg4HeSIxsnzFxRx1jaRgjeLUMuw/edit?usp=sharing 3) Thaddeus is working on one too. We may need to wait until Monday when Tracy is on the call and spend time to identify what she prefers. 4) I created a GDoc with the notes Tracy previously posted: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16sZG63bI56OYGunXLGP3JIMX-eVuBj8S_1EZXnRALfM/edit?usp=sharing 5) Tracy previous info for another context: https://tkuhrt.github.io/git-workflow/

atcvince (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:46:29 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen Yes, we have a common view. Additionally, should we include that the Architect uses the information obtained from decision makers/end users as the basis for designing the network, channels, nodes, policies, etc.?

atcvince (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 15:03:22 GMT):
@KellyCooper for what it’s worth, I followed Document #2 when I made my changes to Chapter 3, which in hindsight wasn’t the best idea. Will await guidance on path forward.

KellyCooper (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 15:04:18 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=extOeChZ6wRfxYNRWa) @atcvince Y, it's the simple things that bite. Thank you.

SjirNijssen (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:43:37 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=YS58J83LGOHSt8VKDR) @atcvince Hi Vince, I am happy to write that this is included in the work that I am preparing for the Uni. So far I have used the term Signed Agreement on Fabric Cooperation (signed by all the orgs involved) to include the output of the decision makers of the various orgs involved. Maybe you have a proposal for a better term for that concept, which has so far got very little attention in the Fabric community. The term Signed Agreement on fabric Cooperation is not holy at all, the concept behind it is. Your thoughts?

atcvince (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:55:05 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen Throughout my SAP career, we’ve used terms like “Project Blueprint” and “Design Document” to describe the same document. Not sure if these are better terms but what’s essential is that once the document is approved, any deviation should be subject to an established change control procedure.

SjirNijssen (Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:22:24 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=w1nk82pMROhLXy3ngs) @atcvince Hi Vince, I wanted to put some focus on the Cooperation aspect. That was the main reason for the term. How about Requirements for Fabric Cooperation?

SjirNijssen (Wed, 22 Aug 2018 08:46:35 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=AhataPJeppze3BCj6) Vince, I believe the difference between een Project Blueprint and Design document on the one hand and Signed Agreement on Fabric Cooperation is that the first mentioned are usually not a signed agreement between several orgs and the Fabric Cooperation is. Or is this the wrong impressione?

atcvince (Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:04:38 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen in my experience the blueprint/design are signed agreements and establish the baseline scope of the project. Any deviation is recorded as a change request

TBigjohn (Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:08:50 GMT):
N

KellyCooper (Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:24:23 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=4SPAJRvCjbqcjXBEq) https://gist.github.com/tkuhrt/10211ae0a26a91a8c030d00344f7d11b

KellyCooper (Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:24:23 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=4SPAJRvCjbqcjXBEq) Tracy's Gist on Hyperledger/edX contributions: https://gist.github.com/tkuhrt/10211ae0a26a91a8c030d00344f7d11b

tkuhrt (Wed, 22 Aug 2018 21:18:40 GMT):
Thanks, @KellyCooper. I just made it through my backlog of messages on this channel. @atcvince @nathalie-ckc @Thaddeus : I want to thank you all for the work that you have been putting into converting the EdX course content into Markdown files. We did lock down a bit on the "write" access to the education repo. We want to be sure that people are using forks of the repositories and pull requests for changes made. This way, we can review it and catch any formatting issues before the changes get put in place. The other thing that normally throws people off if they use the Github UI directly to edit files is that they fail to include the appropriate DCO sign-off lines. Since Hyperledger's charter requires that all contributions have DCO signoffs, it is important step. This step is normally not simple with the Github UI, but from the command line, the -s option of git commit will add those details for you. I hope the Gist that Kelly refers to will provide some good information to help others contribute. If you have questions or suggestions to improve the Gist, please let me know.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 22 Aug 2018 21:48:05 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=NxGiYi3xsfhd06xKdf) @atcvince Hi Vince, I assume that blueprint/design were intra-org, not inter-org. Is that a correct assumptions?

atcvince (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 02:33:47 GMT):
``` Hi @tkuhrt I created Pull Request #72 using the Gist that you provided. The Pull Request contains the markdown for Chapter 3 along with the corresponding images. Additionally, I wasn't sure which license to use so I went with CC 4.0. ```

atcvince (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 02:33:47 GMT):
Hi @tkuhrt I created Pull Request #72 using the Gist that you provided. The Pull Request contains the markdown for Chapter 3 along with the corresponding images. Additionally, I wasn't sure which license to use so I went with CC 4.0.

atcvince (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 02:58:40 GMT):
Hi @tkuhrt with regards to the Gist itself, my feedback (as a new GitHub User) is as follows: 1. Before being able to use the *git config* commands, I had to go into the *education* directory. So should Steps #4 & #5 be swapped? 2. Probably need to mention that values for the *git config* commands should be included in quotes (e.g. git config user.name "atc-vince") 3. Before I could push my changes, I had to execute a *git remote add* command (i.e. git remote add atc-vince ). Should a step be added to the Gist? 4. In Step 11, we could add text saying that the User needs to click on the "Pull Requests" tab in order to see the "New Pull Request" button 5. Should the Gist include a step showing the User how to *squash* commits? I did it using *git rebase -i HEAD~<# of commits>*

atcvince (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 03:14:57 GMT):
@SjirNijssen perhaps it could be a combination of both? Inter-Org because agreements involve various legal entities and system integrator(s). Intra-Org because there are processes agreed upon between units within the same entity. Thoughts?

SjirNijssen (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:34:08 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=wGEgLBfjskMPmgsJH) @atcvince Hi Vince, The inter-org is a legally enforcing contract but I believe the intra-org is not. Do we agree? Furthermore I can image that say all the 5 orgs have a private intra-org document.

atcvince (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:54:09 GMT):
@SjirNijssen Hi Sjir, I agree. Inter-Org agreements should be legally binding. As for Intra-Org, it doesn’t have to be because disputes are typically handled “in house”. @SjirNijssen [ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Gnez9qaGECE2Chvsw)

SjirNijssen (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:14:28 GMT):
Vince, My conclusion is that we now agree that we may have two different concepts, a legally binding inter-org agreement and a morally binding intra-org agreement. Is that a correct interpretation?

SjirNijssen (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:14:47 GMT):
@atcvince See above

tkuhrt (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:13:40 GMT):
@atc-vince : thanks for the feedback. I have updated the Gist. I left out the squash. It isn't completely necessary unless you maybe forgot to sign one of the commits. I tend to squash all commits before I merge the change into the hyperledger/education repository. Now that I have typed this, I think I will add it as an optional step.

tkuhrt (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:13:40 GMT):
@atcvince : thanks for the feedback. I have updated the Gist. I left out the squash. It isn't completely necessary unless you maybe forgot to sign one of the commits. I tend to squash all commits before I merge the change into the hyperledger/education repository. Now that I have typed this, I think I will add it as an optional step.

KellyCooper (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:24:27 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=yXGCQond6oSunff97) @tkuhrt Thanks!

atcvince (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 19:02:11 GMT):
@SjirNijssen Hi Sjir, the interpretation is correct. The Agreement between parties within a business network can come in multiple forms/documents. With that said, what’s the next step?

atcvince (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 19:05:28 GMT):
@tkuhrt Hi Tracy, I only had 2 commits (1 for markdown and 1 for images) but I squashed anyway to familiarize myself with the process. We are training & education after all. ;-)

SjirNijssen (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 19:37:26 GMT):
@atcvince Now that we agree on the true nature of the inter-org agreement, my statement is that this inter-org agreement is the basis for further design of the network, the specification of the policies and development of the client application and the smart contract, and each design, specification and development artefact nees to be justified in terms of the inter-org agreement. Can we agree on that?

atcvince (Thu, 23 Aug 2018 20:11:50 GMT):
@SjirNijssen If the specification of policies includes how parties join/leave the network, endorsements, etc., then I am in agreement.

SjirNijssen (Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:28:06 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=AlLr9pmyNYBGXOGItQ) @atcvince This is indeed included. So we can make the next step.

SjirNijssen (Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:02:03 GMT):
List of concepts for the audience Fabric Architect. Here is a first increment for a list of concepts for a Fabric Architect, having reached agreement on the interpretation of certain concepts during this week. This list includes all the concepts of the concept list for end users and decision makers. Instead of listing the concepts in isolation, we start with the major associations between the concepts are listed hereaftermakers. Instead of listing the Network, contains at least one consortium and at least one organization. A network contains at least one application channel and exactly one ordering (system) channel. Each organization as member of a channel has either at least one client application, or Awone or more peers, or one or more ordering nodes, and at least one admin. Each organization in a channel with peers has at least one peer on the channel as a leading peer. Each organization with peers on a channel has to assign a peer as static or dynamic. At least one of the organizations on a channel has a anchor peer for that channel. A Fabric network can assign an ordering system to a channel.

SjirNijssen (Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:02:03 GMT):
List of concepts for the audience Fabric Architect. Here is a first increment for a list of concepts for a Fabric Architect, having reached agreement on the interpretation of certain concepts during this week. This list includes all the concepts of the concept list for end users and decision makers. Instead of listing the concepts in isolation, we start with the major associations between the concepts. A Fabric networ contains at least one consortium and at least one organization. A Fabric network contains at least one application channel and exactly one ordering (system) channel. Each organization as member of a channel has either at least one client application, or one or more peers, or one or more ordering nodes, and at least one admin. Each organization in a channel with peers has at least one peer on the channel as a leading peer. Each organization with peers on a channel has to assign a peer as static or dynamic. At least one of the organizations on a channel has a anchor peer for that channel. A Fabric network can assign an ordering system to a channel. All the concepts listed before in the associations will receive a concept definition. Let us start with discussing this first increment.

atcvince (Sat, 25 Aug 2018 14:24:11 GMT):
@SjirNijssen Hi Sjir, I agree with all points. I also agree with the approach of painting the big picture before getting into individual concepts. I did something similar at a recent Meetup... started by talking about network components (e.g. network, nodes, channels, etc.), followed by a sample transaction flow, and then a deeper dive into components (e.g. MSP). Thankfully, Fabric’s Read the Docs page provides some excellent graphics.

SarahM (Sat, 25 Aug 2018 17:47:58 GMT):
Has joined the channel.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:50:08 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=AgIiOWM4ij4v0y7lJs) @atcvince Hi Vince, This is a good step forward. We agree that the Architect has to be able to specify the configuration of the Network. Let us also agree that the architect has to justify every decision of the design with reference to the elements in the Inter-org Agreement for Fabric Cooperation. This brings me to another major area of concepts that the Fabric architect needs to master, namely all the policies. Many of the policies will already have been formulated in the Inter-org Agreement, but they need to be translated in Fabric-Latin. Can we agree on that extension of the task of the Fabric Architect?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:50:08 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=AgIiOWM4ij4v0y7lJs) @atcvince Hi Vince, This is a good step forward. We agree that the Architect has to be able to specify the configuration of the Network in the terms expressed above. Let us also agree that the architect has to justify every decision of the design with reference to the elements in the Inter-org Agreement for Fabric Cooperation. This brings me to another major area of concepts that the Fabric architect needs to master, namely all the policies. Many of the policies will already have been formulated in the Inter-org Agreement, but they need to be translated in Fabric-Latin. Can we agree on that extension of the task of the Fabric Architect?

SjirNijssen (Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:53:51 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=AgIiOWM4ij4v0y7lJs) @atcvince Hi Vince, Can you specify which graphics in the Docs you like as there is a wide range in quality? That may help us when producing new diagrams.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:37:51 GMT):
@yacovm Gossip In section 2.4.9 of the chapter Concepts in the latest version of the Fabric docs (approved for inclusion 2018-08-03) (https://media.readthedocs.org/pdf/hyperledger-fabric/latest/hyperledger-fabric.pdf) I read: “• Leader peer. When an organization has multiple peers in a channel, a leader peer is a node which takes responsibility for distributing transactions from the orderer to the other committing peers in the organization. A peer can choose to participate in static or dynamic leadership selection. It is helpful, therefore to think of two sets of peers from leadership perspective – those that have static leader selection, and those with dynamic leader selection. For the static set, zero or more peers can be configured as leaders. For the dynamic set, one peer will be elected leader by the set. Moreover, in the dynamic set, if a leader peer fails, then the remaining peers will re-elect a leader. It means that an organization’s peers can have one or more leaders connected to the ordering service. This can help to improve resilience and scalability in large networks which process high volumes of transactions.” It is helpful, therefore to think of two sets of peers from leadership perspective – those that have static leader selection, and those with dynamic leader selection. For the static set, zero or more peers can be configured as leaders. For the dynamic set, one peer will be elected leader by the set. Moreover, in the dynamic set, if a leader peer fails, then the remaining peers will re-elect a leader. Suppose an org has 5 peers, all joined to channel1, with 2 peers dynamic and 3 peers static. One of the static peers is assigned by the admin to be leader. However the dynamic subset also selects a leader. What happens when the statically selected leader disagrees with the dynamically elected leader? If any of the assumptions are wrong, please point out.

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:15:12 GMT):
there is no disagreement or anything

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:15:18 GMT):
you may use leader election or not

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:15:39 GMT):
if you don't use it - (meaning - "static") then the peer ignores the entire leader election messages

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:21:42 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=PKZCP8EJt4ogpcNCn) @yacovm Could you please answer the question: What happens when the statically selected leader disagrees with the dynamically elected leader?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:29:47 GMT):
no, i can't answer it :/

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:30:10 GMT):
what do you mean by disagrees?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:30:42 GMT):
statically configured leader peers are just that... they are connected to the orderer

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:30:45 GMT):
regardless of anything else

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:30:54 GMT):
they don't run the leader election protocol

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:54:00 GMT):
@yacovm I believe we two have a different interpretation of the following text in the docs section 2.4.9: " It is helpful, therefore to think of two sets of peers from leadership perspective – those that have static leader selection, and those with dynamic leader selection. " Does this imply that for a set of peers of an org joined to a channel, they all must either have static or dynamic operation mode?

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:54:00 GMT):
@yacovm I believe we two have a different interpretation of the following text in the docs section 2.4.9: " It is helpful, therefore to think of two sets of peers from leadership perspective – those that have static leader selection, and those with dynamic leader selection. " Does this imply that for a set of peers of an org joined to a specific channel, they all must either have static or dynamic operation mode?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:55:37 GMT):
https://github.com/hyperledger/fabric/blob/release-1.2/sampleconfig/core.yaml#L138-L154

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:55:51 GMT):
please read the above comments highlighted

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:56:03 GMT):
they'll shed some light on the whole configuration

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:56:43 GMT):
> Does this imply that for a set of peers of an org joined to a specific channel, they all must either have static or dynamic operation mode? no... you can have mixed groups

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:56:50 GMT):
it all depends on your use case

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:24:17 GMT):
@yacovm Thank you for the reference. My conclusion based on your answer above is that a set of peers of a given org1 joined to channel2 can have two subsets, one having only static and the other one having only dynamic operation mode selection. I have read the reference it and I can't find the answer to my question: What happens when the statically selected leader disagrees with the dynamically elected leader?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:40:38 GMT):
what do you mean by disagrees?

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:54:46 GMT):
@yacovm Above you say: Does this imply that for a set of peers of an org joined to a specific channel, they all must either have static or dynamic operation mode? Your answer was clear: no... you can have mixed groups Hence we have now clarity of the fact that the set of peers joined to a given channel can have some peers with operation mode Static and the others in that set with operation mode Dynamic. Now my question differently expressed: How to avoid that a non leader receives twice the same block, one from the static leader and one from the dynamic leader? And what to do if these blocks are different?

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:54:46 GMT):
@yacovm Above you say: Does this imply that for a set of peers of an org joined to a specific channel, they all must either have static or dynamic operation mode? Your answer was clear: no... you can have mixed groups Hence we have now clarity of the fact that the set of peers joined to a given channel can have some peers with operation mode Static and the others in that set with operation mode Dynamic. Now my question differently expressed: How to avoid that a non leader receives twice a block with the same blockNumber but a different contents,, one from the static leader and one from the dynamic leader? And what to do if these blocks are different?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:02:07 GMT):
ah, you can't avoid it

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:02:37 GMT):
> And what to do if these blocks are different? the blocks should be identical under the assumption the orderer is honest

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:04:05 GMT):
Fabric block gossip works in a 2 independent process - - Push: You (a peer) select a random set of peers and send them the block you receive for the first time - Pull: You (a peer) select a random set of peers and exchange data digests and if the peers have blocks that you don't have, they send them to you

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:04:25 GMT):
the first process (push) means there is always a chance you will receive a block more than once

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:04:35 GMT):
even if there is a single leader

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:05:39 GMT):
it's not as efficient as can be, but it reduces latency

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:10:37 GMT):
@yacovm Thanks very much for your help. I will propose in the Fabric Doc WG that we will include a separate topic of Gossip in the Concepts chapter of the Fabric docs as I believe it is worth it to be described in a way that people easily understand and have it consistent throughout the entire documenation . I will start thinking about that topic. My first idea is to build it on top a few typical scenario's and then draw general conclusions. Other suggestions? Once again many thanks

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:12:11 GMT):
suggestions - tell people to always use anchor peers if they want multi-organizational endorsements to work starting from v1.2

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:12:43 GMT):
because in v1.2 , SDKs use service discovery and if you have an endorsement policy in which you need to reach out to peers in other organizations than your own....

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:12:49 GMT):
without anchor peers you're going to have problems

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:13:01 GMT):
because the peers won't be able to compute the discovery responses

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:13:02 GMT):
You mean anchor peer for each org-channel combination

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:13:27 GMT):
I always talk in the scope of some channel, unless I explicitly state it :)

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:13:39 GMT):
you need at least 1 reachable anchor peer in a channel

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:13:47 GMT):
@yacovm great!

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:13:57 GMT):
for high availability, obviously it makes sense to have APs for each org

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:15:59 GMT):
@yacovm You say: I always talk in the scope of some channel, unless I explicitly state it. I think we have to make this much clearer in the docs.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:19:01 GMT):
@yacovm You say above: for high availability, obviously it makes sense to have APs for each org. My question: why did Fabric not make this a requiment instead of an advice? I like to understand the WHY.

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:31:56 GMT):
why would you make something that isn't a requirement, a requirement?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:32:14 GMT):
also you can't enforce it technically

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:32:18 GMT):
but that's another story

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:05:43 GMT):
@yacovm Are there papers that describe why it can't be technically enforced?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:16:47 GMT):
it can't be enforced simply because each organization needs to update the anchor peer on its own. There is no way to enforce this because at first you don't have any anchor peers at all. Then, each organization - adds its own anchor peers. To enforce something you need to prevent some action from happening, right? How can you enforce such a thing?

atcvince (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:29:36 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=jcth3w67qRtGx2bdD) @SjirNijssen @SjirNijssen for the network I used https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/network/network.html#network-completed For transaction flow, I use https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/peers/peers.html#peers-and-orderers

atcvince (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:29:36 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=jcth3w67qRtGx2bdD) @SjirNijssen for the network I used https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/network/network.html#network-completed For transaction flow, I use https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/peers/peers.html#peers-and-orderers

atcvince (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:29:36 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=jcth3w67qRtGx2bdD) @SjirNijssen for the network I used https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/network/network.html#network-completed For transaction flow, I used https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/peers/peers.html#peers-and-orderers

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:35:30 GMT):
@atcvince If I have to give a presentation I use the same.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:42:00 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=vGxXyXjDDtje7c4YY) @yacovm My understanding of the latest version of the Network topic wrt anchor peer is that for each channel there needs to be at least one anchor peer in one of the orgs of that channel. Is that a wrong conclusion? How could it be enforced? Before the configuration of the channel is approved by Fabric, is it not possible to issue a message that there needs to be at least one anchor, in any of the orgs of the channel?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:43:59 GMT):
what do you mean approved?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:44:10 GMT):
if I am an org administrator I can delete my anchor whenever i want...

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:59:00 GMT):
@yacovm I believe there could be formulated a policy such that an org admin needs to submit such a delete with en endorsement needed by the majority of the orgs in the channel? What does prevent this?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:59:40 GMT):
we don't want to do that

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:59:54 GMT):
collecting signatures for channel updates is a pain

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:00:56 GMT):
If an organization wants to update its anchor peers it should be able to do it on its own

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:02:27 GMT):
@yacovm I believe that is a point of view. Another point of view is: I would prefer some pain over going down.

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:03:27 GMT):
I see. Well, did I answer your question?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:04:18 GMT):
let me know if I can assist further

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:10:11 GMT):
@yacovm I need more time to reflect on this before I can answer your last question. We are goning into true fundamental territoty. I am somewhat surprised to learn today that the admin of one org can do such damage to all the orgs in a channel. I believe one of the real interesting aspects of Fabric is its focus on cooperation of various orgs. I believe that the majority of people involved in a cooperation accept that once the cooperation has started, it needs to be made not too easy for one pilot to let the plane go down.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:10:11 GMT):
@yacovm I need more time to reflect on this before I can answer your last question. We are going into true fundamental territoty. I am somewhat surprised to learn today that the admin of one org can do such damage to all the orgs in a channel. I believe one of the real interesting aspects of Fabric is its focus on cooperation of various orgs. I believe that the majority of people involved in a cooperation accept that once the cooperation has started, it needs to be made not too easy for one pilot to let the plane go down.

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:10:37 GMT):
I said it can change the anchor peers of its own organization

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:10:37 GMT):
> I am somewhat surprised to learn today that the admin of one org can do such damage to all the orgs in a channel. I said it can change the anchor peers of its own organization

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:10:44 GMT):
not for other organizations....

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:13:04 GMT):
@yacovm Yes, that is what I understood. However once 4 orgs agree in writing to start a Fabric cooperation, there are rights and duties. An org could have the right to leave the network, but not the unrestricted right to cause damage such as making the channel non operational, would ne my proposal.

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:13:22 GMT):
who said the channel is non operational?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:13:43 GMT):
you realize that if you leave the network - it means your anchor peers are also gone, right?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:14:45 GMT):
You criticize that an organization can delete its own anchor peer(s) but you're fine with it leaving the channel? :thinking:

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:18:10 GMT):
@yacovm yes, I do realize that. I believe it would be a good step forward to consider in a future release that there is a balance of rights and duties. And it is quite possible to write into the Original agreement on cooperation that leaving is associated with a certain penalty. Happens quite often today in other areas. New question: If an org has no anchor peer, is it not the case that the peers of that org are not any longer addressable?

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:20:12 GMT):
Regarding the new question - no. Because its peers can be discovered via other anchor peers.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:23:41 GMT):
@yacovm Excuse me for not remembering a few minutes ago that you have said that before. My real concern is this: why should the last org that has a anchor on the channel be permitted to withdraw that? The org should have an obligation to make it not a single point of failure, I would prefer.

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:28:20 GMT):
Recall that anchor peers are only used for peers that are brought up after a restart or new ones, to discover the already running peers in the channel. We want several anchor peers, preferable from different organizations, in case something bad happens to the anchor peers, or to the network reachability to the organizations that the anchor peers hail from. > why should the last org that has a anchor on the channel be permitted to withdraw that? 1) If that's the last organization that has anchor peers, then it means the other organizations didn't want to contribute to the availability of the peer membership of the channel, and therefore they deserve to be punished for their incompetence. 2) "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities" ;)

SjirNijssen (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:35:25 GMT):
@yacovm This is a very fruitful exchange of ideas. Let me give you my provisional and not well thought through conclusion: Fabric has a fairly powerful endorsement policy that with a small extension, could be used to set up very powerful cooperations, in which it is possible to specify points on the whole spectrum from unanimity to a lot of power to the individual, as long as every point on that spectrum can be formulated in Fabric. I regret that I have to go to bed as I need quite some sleep every day. Thank you very much for the time today. I will tomorrow go over the entire discussion again before contacting you. I have to integrate that knowledge before I can make a sensible step forward.

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:39:06 GMT):
channel update isn't via endorsement

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:39:06 GMT):
anchor peer update isn't via endorsement

yacovm (Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:39:14 GMT):
it's via config update....

tkuhrt (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 15:27:31 GMT):

tkuhrt (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 15:42:43 GMT):
https://wiki.hyperledger.org/community/presentations

atcvince (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:23:19 GMT):
A search for David Boswell(s) so I went with the ID that was active in the meetup channel

atcvince (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:59:39 GMT):
@KellyCooper @tkuhrt if we were to ask the various meetups to start sending us copies of their slide decks, where would we store them? Also spoke with David and he would appreciate some assistance from our WG to update some of the presentations. For example, the original one for fabric still references v1.0

tkuhrt (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:44:38 GMT):
@atcvince : We could add them to the Wiki as attachments.

atcvince (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:46:50 GMT):
@tkuhrt to confirm, we’ll use the wiki as a “library” of slide decks used by various meetups?

atcvince (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:51:06 GMT):
I’m thinking about structure... do we attach files according to some sort of metadata (e.g. framework, topic, etc.), or by the Meetup’s location, or something else...

atcvince (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:27:37 GMT):
@tkuhrt Hi Tracy, during this morning’s meeting it was mentioned that 4/9 sections of LFS171x still requires work. Since I’ll be working on it (to incorporate Chapter 3 comments), perhaps I can help work on those as well...

atcvince (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:28:01 GMT):
Unless someone’s already working on it already...

KellyCooper (Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:40:12 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=uXxt9rnePYww4yjkj) @tkuhrt and post links to the meetup channel

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rdmross (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 00:42:59 GMT):
@KellyCooper : I understand that you are working on animation elements. Could you give me more detail about that project? Also, The other projects I have listed, Visual Dictionary and Chain Go and Java came from the April/May sprint Google spreadsheet that may be out of date. Are you still working on those projects? If you are, I would like some update details on them. Are there any other project you are currently working on?

rdmross (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:17:22 GMT):
@SjirNijssen: Except for the Core Concepts that you are currently working on, I have listed 2 other projects you were involved in. One iv the Visual vocabulary in Ledger topic I got from the April/May sprint Google spreadsheet. Are you still working on that? Also during the meeting on June 4, you and Collin showed a presentation about fabric. Are there any other projects you are working on.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:14:43 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Qq7En8szEkjTwCArT) @rdmross I have started work on the concept list for Fabric architects. This is a much larger list than the list for end users and decision makers. De visual vocabulary is part of a longer term project to produce an effective "traffic sign" language for parts of Fabric. The animation of the lifecycle of a transaction will get an update by end of september as there will be available in 1.3 a new interesting functionality.

nathalie-ckc (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:04:01 GMT):
Is anyone going to Linux Foundation Open Source Summit today-Friday? I will be there all 3 days. DM me if you want to meet. Would be great to connect with collaborators in person.

KellyCooper (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:13:43 GMT):
I set up a link to GoogleDocs to begin the Fabric Concepts Project, rather than use the wiki at this point. It is simpler to work where it's easy to see typos, misspelled words and offer comments. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wyof9LPokZymvTj6Cbc_3tz39pKi7ZHHUW_6KQlVDIk/edit?usp=sharing

KellyCooper (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:15:44 GMT):
Here is the link to GoogleDocs Sjir requested via TSC so they, too, can review and offer edits. In transferring to GDocs I edited a few typos and misspelled words that my eyes glossed over in the wiki. Feel free to make comments during TSC review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m0UPKPjylLOotsqaP7LuPwWv_k_-dX_W6g8NBcMHDdA/edit?usp=sharing

SjirNijssen (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:18:38 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=iAES6EKqXoXSS8uyC) @KellyCooper thanks Kelly

Thaddeus (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:05:36 GMT):
I have sent the latest iteration of Iroha Core concepts to @igor-egorov with @KellyCooper on CC. He is very response but can be busy. I will give an update once I hear back

Thaddeus (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:07:13 GMT):
Later today or tomorrow morning I will take a look at the GitHub (non) Pull Requests I submitted. I am familiar with the traditional usage so shouldn't take long.

KellyCooper (Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:17:59 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=oLyHBmppxoksjbFzE) @Thaddeus Sounds great! Thanks Thaddeus.

tkuhrt (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 01:41:50 GMT):
@atcvince : sorry for my delay in responding. My thought was that we could attach the presentations to a Wiki page, and then provide a structure that people would be able to locate the presentations that they want. Maybe something that was Blockchain Introductory material and then a separate section for each of the projects. As needed, we could add more categorization. Obviously searching might become an issue, but if the titles of the presentations are descriptive enough, people should be able to find it. See existing https://wiki.hyperledger.org/community/presentations page for possible structure. Maybe we just add to that page.

tkuhrt (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 01:43:30 GMT):
@atcvince : Any of the sections that do not have an assignee are open to be chosen. https://github.com/hyperledger/education/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aedx-migration -- it looks like maybe two do not have assignees. @Thaddeus @nathalie-ckc : Can you confirm that you are still working on the issues that are assigned to you?

atcvince (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:55:52 GMT):
@tkuhrt Hi Tracy. Thanks for the feedback. I saw the presentations page, and I’ll spend some time thinking about options over the long weekend (along with working on markdown)

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:30:38 GMT):
@tkuhrt I added comments to the 2 issues assigned to me. They can be closed now that you have merged my pull requests. @tkuhrt [ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=SK9SSWc4QpDmeho2Q)

tkuhrt (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:37:41 GMT):
Thanks @nathalie-ckc. I will have a look at those two issues and close them as appropriate

rdmross (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:47:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=RYfAegcGiYhLaXGB3) @SjirNijssen @SjirNijssen - I put some of the information you gave me on the project status list. Could you give me links to the 3 projects you mentied

rdmross (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:47:03 GMT):
@SjirNijssen @SjirNijssen - I put some of the information you gave me on the project status list. Could you give me links to the 3 projects you mentioned (Concepts for Fabric Architechs, The current visual vocabulary, and the animation of transaction lifecycle. ) As for the visual vocbulary, what project is this a part of? Also could you give me more detail of what you mean when you say "Traffic Sign Language"?

rdmross (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:47:03 GMT):
@SjirNijssen - I put some of the information you gave me on the project status list. Could you give me links to the 3 projects you mentioned (Concepts for Fabric Architects, The current visual vocabulary, and the animation of transaction life-cycle. ) As for the visual vocabulary, what project is this a part of? Also could you give me more detail of what you mean when you say "Traffic Sign Language"?

KellyCooper (Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:59:08 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=yoYzQkoGpxJ4t3TcX) @rdmross The Concepts in review, from the wiki, is now here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m0UPKPjylLOotsqaP7LuPwWv_k_-dX_W6g8NBcMHDdA/edit?usp=sharing. The Visual Vocabulary did not happen, you can delete it. The Concepts for Fabric Architects empty document, since it's starting soon, is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wyof9LPokZymvTj6Cbc_3tz39pKi7ZHHUW_6KQlVDIk/edit?usp=sharing. Sjir's wording on 'traffic sign' is his intent, it is not a document. The animation of the lifecycle of a transaction stalled when the group changed times, perhaps not it as pending. Thanks, Kelly

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atcvince (Sat, 01 Sep 2018 23:09:50 GMT):
@tkuhrt Hi Tracy. I've implemented the requested changes for Chapter 3.

atcvince (Sat, 01 Sep 2018 23:09:50 GMT):
@tkuhrt Hi Tracy. I've implemented the requested changes for Chapter 3 (Issue #46 Pull Request #72).

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tkuhrt (Tue, 04 Sep 2018 22:56:51 GMT):
Thanks, Vince. I merged those changes today

atcvince (Tue, 04 Sep 2018 23:01:41 GMT):
@tkuhrt No worries Tracy. Glad to help!

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SjirNijssen (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:37:57 GMT):
@baoyangc Thank you for your suggestions of last week on the concept list for end users and decision makers of the T & E WG. I have answered them last week in the Google doc, but a misunderstanding on the interface caused them to get lost. I retyped the answers this morning in the Google Doc. I look forward to your reaction. @kelly @atcvince @tkuhrt @cbf @amundson @paulransfield @Thaddeus

SjirNijssen (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:39:03 GMT):
Here is the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m0UPKPjylLOotsqaP7LuPwWv_k_-dX_W6g8NBcMHDdA/edit?usp=sharing

paulransfield (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:30:12 GMT):
thanks @SjirNijssen ... i like the list and each accompanying narrative provides a base script ... as mentioned, i've spent the last 2-3 weeks putting together a Hyperledger Fabric/Composer development environment, both on my home windows PC and on a digital ocean droplet ... its been tough getting all the pieces together ... and further complicated with the new news to me that the Hyperledger Composer project is now paused, and unlikely to be progressed ... i've updated my edutech stack technology topology based on this ... see attached

paulransfield (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:30:12 GMT):
thanks @SjirNijssen ... i like the list and each accompanying narrative provides a base script ... as mentioned, i've spent the last 2-3 weeks putting together a Hyperledger Fabric/Composer development environment, both on my home windows PC and on a digital ocean droplet ... its been tough getting all the pieces together ... and further complicated with the new news to me that the Hyperledger Composer project is now paused as of Aug 30, and the Composer project is unlikely to be progressed ... i've updated my edutech stack technology visual topology based on this ... see attached ... which highlights for me the complexity, and interdisciplinary nature of the full stack development team space

paulransfield (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:30:12 GMT):
thanks @SjirNijssen ... i like the list and each accompanying narrative provides a base script ... as mentioned, i've spent the last 2-3 weeks putting together a Hyperledger Fabric/Composer development environment, both on my home windows PC and on a digital ocean droplet ... its been tough getting all the dependent code base pieces and VM virtualisation tools together ... and further complicated with the new news to me that the Hyperledger Composer project is now paused as of Aug 30, and the Composer project is unlikely to be progressed ... i've updated my edutech stack technology visual topology based on this ... see attached ... which highlights for me the complexity, and interdisciplinary nature of the full stack development team space

paulransfield (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:30:12 GMT):
thanks @SjirNijssen ... i like the list and each accompanying narrative provides a base script ... as mentioned, i've spent the last 2-3 weeks putting together a Hyperledger Fabric/Composer development environment, both on my home windows PC and on a digital ocean droplet ... its been tough getting all the dependent code base pieces and VM virtualisation tools together ... and further complicated with the new news to me that the Hyperledger Composer project is now paused as of Aug 30, and the Composer project is unlikely to be progressed ... i've updated my edutech dapp stack technology visual topology based on this ... see attached ... which highlights for me the complexity, and interdisciplinary nature of the full stack development team space

paulransfield (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:30:12 GMT):
thanks @SjirNijssen ... i like the list and each accompanying narrative provides a base script ... as mentioned, i've spent the last 2-3 weeks putting together a Hyperledger Fabric/Composer development environment, both on my home windows PC and on a digital ocean droplet ... its been tough getting all the dependent code base pieces and VM virtualisation tools together ... and further complicated with the new news to me that the Hyperledger Composer project is now paused as of Aug 30, and the Composer project is unlikely to be progressed ... given this recent experience, i've updated my edutech dapp stack technology visual topology based on this ... see attached ... which highlights for me the complexity, and interdisciplinary nature of the full stack development team space

paulransfield (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:30:12 GMT):
thanks @SjirNijssen ... i like the list and each accompanying narrative provides a base script ... as mentioned, i've spent the last 2-3 weeks putting together a Hyperledger Fabric/Composer development environment, both on my home windows PC and on a digital ocean droplet ... its been tough getting all the dependent code base pieces and VM virtualisation tools together ... and further complicated with the new news to me that the Hyperledger Composer project is now paused as of Aug 30, and the Composer project is unlikely to be progressed ... given this recent experience, i've updated my edutech dapp stack technology visual topology ... see attached ... which highlights for me the complexity, and interdisciplinary nature of the full stack development team space

paulransfield (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:30:16 GMT):

distributed app edutechstack 2018.png

paulransfield (Fri, 07 Sep 2018 23:37:20 GMT):

distributed app edutechstack.png

Thaddeus (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:37:01 GMT):
@KellyCooper I changed my email address. I am getting GitHub messages at the new address but I may have forgotten to change for the group list. It is jjc6476@psu.edu

Thaddeus (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:38:10 GMT):
Thaddeus status:

Thaddeus (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:41:11 GMT):
Made PR for Migrate "What's Next" from EdX to Markdown #51

Thaddeus (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:42:49 GMT):
Asked @igor-egorov to review my feedback on Core Concepts for Hyperledger Iroha

Thaddeus (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:43:53 GMT):
@igor-egorov my new email address is jjc6476@psu.edu

Thaddeus (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:47:47 GMT):
my new email is jjc6476@psu.edu

Thaddeus (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:49:42 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I no longer have a gmail address if that impacts your question my email address is jjc6476@psu.edu

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VIVEKBHOLA (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:32:17 GMT):
hi I am trying to create and join channel on peer0 and it gets successfull but when try to join peer1 on newly created channel then it gives an error

KellyCooper (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 16:34:43 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=gTyZ6ZDxk9iNeJNyz) @VIVEKBHOLA This is the training and education workgroup. Please see your globe at the top of the page to find and offer your question in the related tech support channel. Thanks, Kelly

Thaddeus (Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:30:04 GMT):
HI @ VIVEKBHOLA, it is probably best to reach out to the specific framework you are working within. There is a lot of good support within the framework groups.

atcvince (Sun, 09 Sep 2018 03:24:56 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=CgRWGgzsNbuJdq3tc) @KellyCooper @VIVEKBHOLA I'd recommend asking the question in the #fabric-questions channel

atcvince (Sun, 09 Sep 2018 03:24:56 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=CgRWGgzsNbuJdq3tc) @VIVEKBHOLA I'd recommend asking the question in the #fabric-questions channel

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tkuhrt (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:17:34 GMT):
https://www.hyperledger.org/resources/training

tkuhrt (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:17:46 GMT):
https://www.hyperledger.org/resources/training/hyperledger-fabric-certification

tkuhrt (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:17:53 GMT):
https://www.hyperledger.org/resources/training/hyperledger-sawtooth-certification

Thaddeus (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:37:25 GMT):
hi @KellyCooper

Thaddeus (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:38:52 GMT):
@KellyCooper - I think there is some confusion with the edX transfer started working on "Introduction to Fabric" and am about ahalf way done and see a request asking someone else to take it

Thaddeus (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:40:20 GMT):
@KellyCooper this markdown project is super easy but it does take a lot of time. I'm not sure about working on it and then having it switched to someone else. Also I cant allocate myself to the issue any more.

Thaddeus (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:42:18 GMT):
@tkuhrt I have issue #49 "Intro to Fabric" halfway done including uploading all images. For some reason I cannot allocate myself to the issue.

Thaddeus (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:42:27 GMT):
I have issue #49 "Intro to Fabric" halfway done including uploading all images. For some reason I cannot allocate myself to the issue.

rdmross (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:24:13 GMT):
I'm glad the subject of increasing member engagement came up. As I listened to what to do to increase engagemen, I saw what I can do to the current projects list to do this. Modifications include: -For each project status, a link to a help wanted list including skills required and how to apply. -Expand contribution opportunities to non-project items sush as helping students on exd. -Include a priority sorted backlog to do list. As I said in the last meeting, I want to slowly morph this current project list into a simple, easy to use project management tool. For now, I want feedback on what I said here and also for each project leader to send me their help wanted list with skills required (such as able to use github). Send any feedback or help wanted information to r@uar.biz or reply here.

KellyCooper (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:57:49 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=YbuNHywXwaRzdnLpH) @rdmross Hi Richard. I usually see your name, perhaps you called in by phone. That's why I didn't ask you to speak up on progress. Sorry 'bout that. thanks for writing in notes here, I'll incorporate them. Kelly

KellyCooper (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:00:14 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=4h5sogGqCEu6jxAYM) @Thaddeus Hi Thaddeus. In the meeting we discussed how to get multiple people to be able to view for currency of material, not for markdown. @tkuhrt will you allow Thaddeus to the issue. Thaddeus, Tracy and I are unaware of the other person and she is reaching out. We decided, too that in Google Docs we can have a subgroup who want to review each chapter. I'm working on meeting minutes now, we discussed this at length. Please give us today to get it sorted out. Thanks, Kelly

tkuhrt (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 21:43:57 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=rQEsojNXsC78WSuNW) @Thaddeus : There was a note on that issue #49 that someone named Joey Joplin was going to take the issue. He mentioned that he did not have time, so I assumed it was open for anyone. Thus, I mentioned @nathalie-ckc as someone who had expressed an interest. If you have already started the issue, please feel free to complete it. I will assign it to you.

tkuhrt (Mon, 10 Sep 2018 21:43:57 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=p45QJbX3sjd28rNZB) @Thaddeus : There was a note on that issue #49 that someone named Joey Joplin was going to take the issue. He mentioned that he did not have time, so I assumed it was open for anyone. Thus, I mentioned @nathalie-ckc as someone who had expressed an interest. If you have already started the issue, please feel free to complete it. I will assign it to you.

Thaddeus (Tue, 11 Sep 2018 02:21:07 GMT):
@tkuhrt Thanks. For some reason I am still getting tripped up on this. I followed the steps in your gist. In step 9 and 10 I get the following

Thaddeus (Tue, 11 Sep 2018 02:21:24 GMT):
@tkuhrt $ git commit -s -m "What's Next Chapter" On branch issue_78 No commands done. Next commands to do (4 remaining commands): pick 9a01587 Add Chapter 2 contents (#45) (#70) pick afe8418 Add edX content for Iroha chapter (#48) (#71) You are currently editing a commit while rebasing branch 'issue-78' on 'be9ab02'

Thaddeus (Tue, 11 Sep 2018 02:22:36 GMT):
@tkuhrt I must be doing something wrong :cry:

nathalie-ckc (Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:55:57 GMT):
@Thaddeus : Is your 'origin' import-edx-content branch up-to-date with the remote import-edx-content branch? You can check 'git log -1' while on each to see if they don't have the same last commit. If they're not matching, I follow these instructions for both master & import-edx-content branches to get my fork up-to-date: https://help.github.com/articles/syncing-a-fork/

tkuhrt (Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:07:30 GMT):
@Thaddeus : It looks like you may be in the middle of a git rebase. In order to complete the rebase, you will need to squash the second commit into the first.

Thaddeus (Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:33:20 GMT):
I cancelled the git rebase

Thaddeus (Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:34:26 GMT):
my upstream dependencies are automatically synched

Thaddeus (Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:44:08 GMT):
I know I am on the chat late. I could really use some help when someone is available. I am on the wrong side of about 10 deadlines :no_mouth:

tkuhrt (Wed, 12 Sep 2018 22:53:57 GMT):
Hey, @Thaddeus : It looks like your PRs are still missing the sign-off. You will need to do step 10 in https://gist.github.com/tkuhrt/10211ae0a26a91a8c030d00344f7d11b to correct this. It will be important to do the interactive rebase and squash the commits into one. When it asks you for the log message, it will be important to include a signed off line. Something like > Signed-off-by: Thaddeus Cambron your-email@example.com Replacing the `your-email@example.com` with whatever email you use for Github.

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Thaddeus (Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:54:41 GMT):
OK, thank you. If you have multiple commits in a PR each commit needs the sign-off. I need to squash them into one commit

Thaddeus (Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:55:31 GMT):
Iroha Core Concepts are agreed upon by @igor-egorov

Thaddeus (Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:55:37 GMT):
The link is here

Thaddeus (Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:55:43 GMT):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEGOzAE5Ci7Wl1Kvf99JWe3FON8cT7wh6lxieFzzhp0/edit#

Thaddeus (Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:57:17 GMT):
I will squash my commits today. It may be hard for me to sign in to rocket chat this week. I promised to present here if anyone is interest in A11Y:

Thaddeus (Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:57:18 GMT):
https://inclusivedesign24.org/2018/schedule/

Thaddeus (Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:59:06 GMT):
However, I promise I will complete my issues today. Just a heads up that I have been having trouble with the DCO. The sign-off is there but I did not realize that each commit requires its own sign-off. Now there is a merge conflict that I need to resolve and will do that today

Thaddeus (Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:59:06 GMT):
Just a heads up that I have been having trouble with the DCO. The sign-off is there but I did not realize that each commit requires its own sign-off. Now there is a merge conflict that I need to resolve and will do that today

Thaddeus (Tue, 18 Sep 2018 03:08:00 GMT):
@KellyCooper I apologize, however, I am having to much trouble and spent time resolving this DCO issue. I think I am going to need to stop working in the group. The work I did with Igor on IROHA is complete and here

Thaddeus (Tue, 18 Sep 2018 03:08:08 GMT):
@KellyCooper https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEGOzAE5Ci7Wl1Kvf99JWe3FON8cT7wh6lxieFzzhp0/edit#

Thaddeus (Tue, 18 Sep 2018 03:12:38 GMT):
@KellyCooper the "Whats Next chapter has been done for over a month and is here: https://rawgithub.com/thaddeus-cambron/education/import-edx-content/LFS171x/docs/whats-next.md

Thaddeus (Tue, 18 Sep 2018 03:17:20 GMT):
@KellyCooper I need to focus more on education for at risk use and trauma informed education. I really appreciate the opportunity to do work with you. Thank you very much!

KellyCooper (Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:37:05 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=CxDeur2xhEHTTRqSc) @Thaddeus I respect your decision. You made major contributions and I hope you did not feel pressured to do so. Feel free to reach out any time. Thank you Thaddeus.

OlgaLarsen (Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:21:51 GMT):
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rdmross (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 14:32:39 GMT):
To make it easier to use/update, I created a google sheets version of the Project Current Status Report. go to: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EXgEYWZvFgH3JiBCMbkb0V-r6Eg7NcFGKBVo_rImvQ4/edit#gid=0

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:01:23 GMT):
@Bobbijn Apologies, Bobbi, the e-mail bounced. Can we connect on LinkedIn and go from there? Thank you! https://www.linkedin.com/in/olgalarsen/

KellyCooper (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:53:53 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=W3rZwcadxFC3K2mCW) @OlgaLarsen it's Bobbi@LedgerAcademy.com

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:54:56 GMT):
Thank you!

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:55:33 GMT):
@KellyCooper Kelly, where do I send corrections to the Governance piece?

KellyCooper (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:58:23 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=nxde3d9JNy58wHhRC) @OlgaLarsen Are you referring to the concepts page? I don't think we have a document particular to governance. https://goo.gl/uz6WMp

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:01:17 GMT):
@KellyCooper Yes. The concepts. There is a piece called "Governance": https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/list-of-blockchain-core-concepts OR am I in the wrong place? :)

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:21:28 GMT):
@KellyCooper Kelly, that's the one. https://goo.gl/uz6WMp Should I just add my paragraphs and put recommendation for removal extra ones?

KellyCooper (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:26:33 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=CCMAvKGuJ7y96SEP9) @OlgaLarsen I would add paragraphs in a different color, Comment on what you recommend to be removed, and ask Sjir to review. @SjirNijssen

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:27:34 GMT):
@KellyCooper I was thinking about different color as well. Sure. Will do. Thank you Kelly.

KellyCooper (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:29:10 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=y2P82SR8dkePCutsR) @OlgaLarsen Thank YOU!

SjirNijssen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:44:09 GMT):
@OlgaLarsen @Bobbijn Thank you for helping as a tech writer with the concept list for the audience end users and decision makers. On the basis of observation of many chat messages my conclusion is that a concept list for an unspecified audience results in an imprecise and an insuffiently consistent set of concecpt definitions. As there are several different audiences involved, end user and decision makers, blockchain architects, blockchain admins, client app developers, smart contract developers and platform developers, we have so far asked ourselves the question: what does the end user and decision maker audience need to know to be able to do their job in a blockchain based system specification, development, deployment and maintenance. Originally the idea was to have one Hyperledger concept list for each audience, independent of the platform and provide special notes for each platform that has a deviation from the general definition. Looking at the questions in the chat channels, I wonder whether that is the most productive approach. My analytics processor comes to the conclusion that the vast majority of questions have to do with a specific platform. It is also objective observation that Fabric has the largest amount of questions. What do you think of the idea to specialize the list we now have for each of the 5 platforms, with Fabric as the first one to be delivered? @KellyCooper

atcvince (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:15:16 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I can “shadow” the work being done in Fabric, and work on drafts for Sawtooth. CC: @KellyCooper

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:21:29 GMT):
@SjirNijssen My pleasure. :) I've just added the governance piece. Have a look. As for the Users: There is a big difference between the very-end-users, corporate decision-makers and the technical teams (admins, etc.). I would probably give an overview of the technology and describe the benefits and some glossary, BUT split the "usability" part into 2 pieces: 1. For non-technical end-users - explain how exactly they are going to be using the system (steps, which applications, etc.) 2. For Technical Users (admins, system engineers, etc.) - what apps are available, what are the technical best practices, systems diagrams, etc. Just a thought...

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:37:17 GMT):
@SjirNijssen And for the technical crowd we can provide notes per platform and application. Maybe even setup a standard table and ask SMEs from each area for an input.

atcvince (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:48:34 GMT):
@KellyCooper @tkuhrt Tried creating a new Pull Request (#100) that contains the Chapter 8 changes made by @Thaddeus. Although the commit is signed off, it's failing DCO check. I followed the recommended procedure (i.e. git commit --amend --signoff & git push ...) but it still shows failed DCO check. Thoughts?

atcvince (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:48:34 GMT):
@KellyCooper @tkuhrt Tried creating a new Pull Request (#100) that contains the Chapter 8 changes made by @Thaddeus . Although the commit is signed off, it's failing DCO check. I followed the recommended procedure (i.e. git commit --amend --signoff & git push ...) but it still shows failed DCO check. Thoughts?

SjirNijssen (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 07:47:45 GMT):
@OlgaLarsen Do I understand correctly that you are in favour of having end users as a specific audience as well as decision makers? There is in my opinion a substantial overlap in concepts relevant to end users and decision makers, or more precise, the set of concepts for end users is a proper subset of the set of concepts for decision makers. What do you think?

KellyCooper (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:51:08 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=pivVLbxNZsgwTmGqXn) @atcvince Great, thanks Vince.

KellyCooper (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:52:21 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=6ijBXkGYGuk64ebk9) @atcvince Pls see Tracy's comments 9/12 @ 3:53 pm above. Thaddeus had this issue and Tracy commented to him.

KellyCooper (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:53:56 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=phtS8Tv5vtY7GtPXX) @SjirNijssen Tracy can best respond because she is aware of what the other working groups offer.

OlgaLarsen (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:32:52 GMT):
You are right - there is a lot of overlap, so I was thinking not separating them, but maybe adding extra info for decision-makers. Because in addition to the end-user info (how to use the system, what is the difference from the processes that they are used to, etc.) the decision-makers should be concerned about the important questions such as: what will be the cost to deploy it and maintain it. They think mostly in hardware / licenses / resources costs. So I think maybe it's a good idea to show a diagram for a simple network (infrastructure) so they can get an idea. Let me know your thoughts.

OlgaLarsen (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:32:52 GMT):
@SjirNijssen You are right - there is a lot of overlap, so I was thinking not separating them, but maybe adding extra info for decision-makers. Because in addition to the end-user info (how to use the system, what is the difference from the processes that they are used to, etc.) the decision-makers should be concerned about the important questions such as: what will be the cost to deploy it and maintain it. They think mostly in hardware / licenses / resources costs. So I think maybe it's a good idea to show a diagram for a simple network (infrastructure) so they can get an idea. Let me know your thoughts.

tkuhrt (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 16:21:47 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=phtS8Tv5vtY7GtPXX) Anything that we do for platform specific concepts should be considered information that should be added to the documentation for those particular projects. This would require going through the normal contribution process for those projects.

tkuhrt (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 16:22:33 GMT):
If necessary, we should enter "feature requests" for expanding the documentation in areas where we feel the current documentation is lacking, and then feel free to address that feature request.

KellyCooper (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:27:47 GMT):
I notice on forums that there are technical issues and Flavia noted this in regard to edX. I think concepts are critical! That said, I will start to create materials that address technical implementation. Also, truth be told, I enjoy reading about concepts and should be building and/or developing more.

KellyCooper (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:27:47 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=oQxRgo9dA8EegB9PK) @atcvince Thanks @atcvince and @OlgaLarsen!

Bobbijn (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 20:46:01 GMT):
Hello, @OlgaLarsen, I made a first attempt at a Core Concept Guide for End User and Decision Makers . I have shared the PDF with the group . Please let me know if this is the format you were looking for. Bobbi

Bobbijn (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 20:48:56 GMT):

HL Core Concepts DM EU.pdf

OlgaLarsen (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:28:33 GMT):
@Bobbijn Yep. Looks good to me.

OlgaLarsen (Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:29:14 GMT):
@Bobbijn Thank you! :)

Bobbijn (Wed, 26 Sep 2018 02:12:50 GMT):
Okay I will send you the rest for you to edit at the end of the week. Bobbi

Bobbijn (Wed, 26 Sep 2018 02:12:50 GMT):
Okay I will send the rest for you to edit at the end of the week. Bobbi

OlgaLarsen (Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:17:00 GMT):
OK. Sure. Thank you. @Bobbijn

atcvince (Thu, 27 Sep 2018 02:16:57 GMT):
@KellyCooper @tkuhrt PR (#102) for Chapter 8 Markdown is ready for review. PR originally had the same DCO error, but I fixed by editing commit (4c1c4cca87411b6dbdbcf43c0bf2f627e3b96f2e) via git rebase so that the signoff used the expected user name.

atcvince (Thu, 27 Sep 2018 02:16:57 GMT):
@KellyCooper @tkuhrt PR (#102) for Chapter 8 Markdown is ready for review. PR originally had the same DCO error, but fixed it by editing commit 4c1c4cca87411b6dbdbcf43c0bf2f627e3b96f2e via git rebase so that the signoff used the expected user name.

OlgaLarsen (Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:49:13 GMT):
@Bobbijn @SjirNijssen Morning and happy Friday! I've added Bobbi's graphics to the end-users concepts doc

atcvince (Sat, 29 Sep 2018 06:52:06 GMT):
@tkuhrt @KellyCooper @nathalie-ckc I've completed Chapters 6 & 7 markdown (see branch *issue_50* of my education repo). Should I wait until my pending PR (#102) is reviewed/merged before creating a new PR? Please advise. Thanks in advance.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 29 Sep 2018 08:18:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=TvJ2bNPjGKjqBgJxD) @OlgaLarsen I have added the piece of text that you suggested I should do. @Bobbijn @OlgaLarsen Thanks for the graphics. Please take a look at some suggestions wrt the two graphics.

mauriff (Sat, 29 Sep 2018 21:13:11 GMT):

descarga.png

mauriff (Sat, 29 Sep 2018 21:13:32 GMT):
the description is for CNCF not CHFA

tkuhrt (Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:42:07 GMT):
@mauriff : Thank your for pointing this out. I will let the right folks know

tkuhrt (Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:44:28 GMT):
@atcvince : You can create PR for Chapter 6 & 7 work

atcvince (Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:47:21 GMT):
@tkuhrt will do.

OlgaLarsen (Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:07:33 GMT):
Hey guys, "Introduction to Hyperledger Technologies" on edX keeps redirecting to paid version. Looks like you can't do audit for free there. On Hyperledger website it states "Free". Is it possible to audit it for free somewhere else? https://www.hyperledger.org/resources/training Does anybody know where the disconnect is? Any ideas?

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 04 Oct 2018 03:34:10 GMT):

Price still says FREE

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 04 Oct 2018 03:34:14 GMT):
@OlgaLarsen I just tried using the edX search for Introduction to Hyperledger Technologies and got to the LFS171x landing page where it does still say price is free

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 04 Oct 2018 03:34:37 GMT):
Do you get a different screen?

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:58:04 GMT):
@atcvince : Do you know when you will submit your PR for Chapter 7? I've got improvements that I'd like to add on top of your work, before the Oct 9 deadline...

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:16:32 GMT):
I could take from your local branch, but @tkuhrt usually has feedback, so I'd prefer to add on top of the version where the feedback has been addressed.

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:16:32 GMT):
I could take from your fork’s branch, but @tkuhrt usually has feedback, so I'd prefer to add on top of the version where the feedback has been addressed.

danintel (Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:01:19 GMT):
Hyperledger Sawtooth Security Intro slideset is at http://dan.drydog.com/hackfest/2018-08-Sawtooth-Security.pdf

OlgaLarsen (Fri, 05 Oct 2018 15:04:52 GMT):
@nathalie-ckc Can you please send me this link? Because no matter where I was coming from - when you start auditing the course it automatically redirects to the link where they ask you to pay :( Very frustrating! And now the I get the message that the enrollment was closed on 10/4 :(

atcvince (Fri, 05 Oct 2018 21:43:49 GMT):
@nathalie-ckc I’ll create the PR shortly...

atcvince (Fri, 05 Oct 2018 22:31:14 GMT):
@nathalie-ckc @tkuhrt Pull Request #104 created for Chapter 6 & 7 Markdown files

nathalie-ckc (Sat, 06 Oct 2018 06:58:40 GMT):
@OlgaLarsen https://www.edx.org/course/blockchain-for-business-an-introduction-to-hyperledger-technologies

nathalie-ckc (Sat, 06 Oct 2018 07:00:41 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=kjM3uXxOAusCdzseMs) @atcvince Thank you! :smile:

Bobbijn (Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:09:00 GMT):

HL Core Concepts DM EU.docx

Bobbijn (Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:12:13 GMT):
Hello, I am unable to make the call today (Teaching today) but here is the document I was working on for all to comment. It is a BASIC guide for Decision makers and end users with graphics. Thank you Bobbi Muscara , Ledger Academy.

atirekg (Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:29:47 GMT):
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atcvince (Tue, 09 Oct 2018 04:26:38 GMT):
@tkuhrt @nathalie-ckc @KellyCooper I've completed the markdown for Chapter 4 in a local branch... https://github.com/atc-vince/education/blob/issue_47/LFS171x/docs/technical-requirements.md Holding off on creating the PR until some existing PRs (e.g. #102, #104, or #105) are reviewed.

KellyCooper (Tue, 09 Oct 2018 14:05:21 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=fA2g9frqttfSygvbK) @atcvince Thanks Vince! Hopefully Tracy can review this morning.

KellyCooper (Tue, 09 Oct 2018 23:31:01 GMT):
@tkuhrt @Bobbijn @SjirNijssen @nathalie-ckc @atcvince and any with time. If you have a chance, please direct message a critique for this animation MVP: https://youtu.be/2Ljbg_OLw9E Thanks.

atcvince (Wed, 10 Oct 2018 01:54:26 GMT):
@tkuhrt @KellyCooper @nathalie-ckc @SjirNijssen To clarify, my PRs are to get the markdown files to the same state as the edX.org course (i.e. baseline). Once reviewed and/or merged, we can make necessary updates & changes like the ones that have been proposed by Nathalie.

KellyCooper (Wed, 10 Oct 2018 02:16:44 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ActGqy0PpHQpHt3T9m) @atcvince Thank Vince.

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SjirNijssen (Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:22:39 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ActGqy0PpHQpHt3T9m) @atcvince Hi Kelly, this is a very interesting technique. I also would like to learn this. I just saw it when I wanted to go to bed, so I studied the film twice and try to make notes. I hope we take the time to increase the quality of the contents and the clarity of the communication. In general I would like to reduce the speed and add a few more words wrt the state, key and validity of a tx. Nice step forward. Let us not rush, but spent sufficient time to have a high quality product. The bridgehead is there, now pause and figure out to have top quality of contents. I glad to help with that.

SjirNijssen (Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:23:20 GMT):
This message was primarily directed to @KellyCooper, sorry Vince

KellyCooper (Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:02:07 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ZBMZDaKnBuYCyGthT) @SjirNijssen Made in PowToons, easy to edit/add to. Thanks Sjir

KellyCooper (Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:14:21 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ucudzPrfsg9bcgHxc) The content came off of the Hyperledger Fabric docs. We can write scripts for some and slow down as you say. And some can be 'light'. A mix of quality and production.

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:10:14 GMT):
Fantastic animation! I will DM with specific feedback when I get to my desk. Blockgeeks uses animations like this in their training modules, which I found much easier to digest than the text+static diagrams in the edX course. @KellyCooper [ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Emfa4uYnkbQBPkQvW)

atirekg (Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:32:43 GMT):
Hello Guys, added a new pull request

atirekg (Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:32:43 GMT):
Hello Guys, added a new pull request please check if this is correct #107

atirekg (Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:40:18 GMT):
this is m first PR so let me know if anything wrong here

OlgaLarsen (Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:09:06 GMT):
@nathalie-ckc Thank you for the link. This enrollment is closed. Any chance they'll open it back?

nathalie-ckc (Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:46:26 GMT):
At this week’s call, it sounds like version 2 of the course will launch in couple weeks. I don’t see Flavia or Magda in Rocket.Chat but I think Flavia’s email is in the training and education wg mailing list archive. That’s how I reached her when I first started to volunteer (I’m on mobile right now so hard to access) @OlgaLarsen [ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=JhQKXF8sq7gyTSQTx)

SjirNijssen (Fri, 12 Oct 2018 06:55:15 GMT):
@KellyCooper and all others The three emails I recommended everybody to read in time sequence: chris ferris Oct 3 fabric@lists.hyperledger.org; namens; Christopher Ferris subject Hyperledger Fabric Rocketchat ; Brian Behlendorf Oct 4 fabric@lists.hyperledger.org; namens; Brian Behlendorf , same subject in same channel; David Enyeart Oct 8 fabric@lists.hyperledger.org; namens; David Enyeart same subject in same channel.

tahaf10 (Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:54:07 GMT):
Me and my team are considering conducting a research on Hyperledger. If there are any specific areas which the hyperledger team feels needs research please let me know and we will do it

Everymans.ai (Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:10:26 GMT):
@tkuhrt @KellyCooper in the last meeting it was mentioned that there is need for online support in the training/certification course, how do I get access?

KellyCooper (Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:45:41 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=7oKA77SwXjRTXfk2m) @tahaf10 This Training & Education working group creates content, a little different from research. That said, if you are interested in researching, curating and developing content, we are starting a concepts project on Fabric for multiple user audiences. Let me know if this is what you're thinking or if you mean true research. Thanks, Kelly

KellyCooper (Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:47:24 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Kfo7pLCWTuSWbY8Mg) @Everymans.ai Flavia spoke of the need to review the edX materials by Wednesday. The group created markdown from the previous edX course. Although the deadline has passed, it's always good to keep fine tuning for the next round of opportunities. The materials are located on GitHub Hyperledger/Education.

KellyCooper (Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:48:32 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=YsdQhhaojKNK83JQi) @SjirNijssen Thanks Sjir.

KellyCooper (Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:39:25 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=xyC6hxVfeetHfScdS0) @nathalie-ckc The prototype animation script is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kMZv6KeUfD9v_bWKanVkotsz-MHPdnhII10kdFC1xfg/edit?usp=sharing Please comment. I will add additional draft scripts for comment before making more animations.

atcvince (Sat, 13 Oct 2018 03:52:33 GMT):
@KellyCooper First off, the animation is really great, and just like @SjirNijssen I would also like to learn this as well. +1 to the earlier comment about the pace could be slower.

tahaf10 (Sat, 13 Oct 2018 06:20:40 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=Rb3XPA5zAuisyWNRf) @KellyCooper That is interesting and I'd definitely like to get involved. Please give me more details about this. That said, I do have a team of academics at my university who want to get into true research on Hyperledger as well. So that is also something that we want to do. Can you point me in the direction of someone who I can talk to regarding this?

KellyCooper (Sat, 13 Oct 2018 13:09:29 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=aFFCEdTdC5gGHf8Lc) @tahaf10 Here in RocketChat you can expand to the technical working groups, via the globe at the top of the page. I can't advise on those groups, I suggest posing a couple of ideas or inquiries in group(s). @SjirNijssen is leading on a large concepts content project. Perhaps message him for details and feel free to check out our meeting minutes for an overview of what we are working on: (Google Doc) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEuHb3rpQbHqLhVJEI8bdeCCQiTMtgZSI7CYEp8_oMc/edit?usp=sharing

atcvince (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 03:30:22 GMT):
@tkuhrt I saw the comments regarding PR#104. Will work on it after work tomorrow. CC: @KellyCooper @nathalie-ckc

atirekg (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:21:11 GMT):
Anyone anything about https://github.com/hyperledger/education/issues/108

atirekg (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:53:14 GMT):
Guys in recent setup fabric-client is released new version 1.3.0, I am facing a issue most probably due to the mismatch of version Package.json file contain lower version which support the fabric_client.newEventHub(); but the latest version supports the channel.newChannelEventHub('localhost:7051');

atirekg (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:54:09 GMT):
I have updated the package.json to have fabric-client version 1.3.0 will it can cause any-other known issue?

atirekg (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:54:09 GMT):
I have updated the package.json to have fabric-client version 1.3.0 will it can cause any-other issue?

atirekg (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:04:36 GMT):
if I use the old version I got this issue Failed to invoke successfully :: Error: There was a problem with the eventhub ::Error: 14 UNAVAILABLE: TCP Write failed

KellyCooper (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:50:01 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=L7ECdx4STF9dq26HP) @atirekg These are questions to pose in the Fabric channels. They are active and great to work with. Thanks, Kelly

atirekg (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:11:45 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=SZQYMNxbfZpftRexR) @KellyCooper Yes I know :), but what I mean here who is looking for these kinds of dependencies in the course content, And if I try to update the code according to this new update (fabric-client) will there be another area to keep in mind or look for change.

KellyCooper (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:37:44 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=gc68HqSPduCNc5EP7) @atirekg Good questions. We are trying to create quality content for a moving target. Fabric 1.4 is in the wings too, with significant change. In the working group meeting we try to discuss priorities. Separately, we encourage participants to draft content or outlines to build from. I encourage an outline or list of areas to address so that we focus on particulars rather than discuss the challenges. Simply because there are so many challenges we can get distracted to the point of lower productivity. I created a starting document here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1piau8wkb1EZdL_swH9Qp1TXCVo6TeLVSVfpbwCDWbwE/edit?usp=sharing

SjirNijssen (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 16:32:41 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=LSBhyKG3BSPeYy9LE) @KellyCooper @atirekg The dependencies in course content can be determined when the knowledge structure of the contents is treated as a set of related facts, subject to various kinds of rules and the meaning of which is specified in the concept list. In the T & E WG we started with an audience specific concept list. There after we add an audience specific data field list. Thereafter three more constructs are needed and you have a knowledge structure from which the sequence of presentation can be derived. This is what is currently missing in the popular tools. @KellyCooper

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rdmross (Mon, 15 Oct 2018 23:56:14 GMT):
I changed the link in the main wiki under Current Contribution Needs to the google sheet version. I will be deleting the old page later. The google sheet version is much easier to modify. No markup skills are needed. It's just a matter of just typing what you need. Because of that, I will no longer be updating the content. I am still looking for ideas of improvement and will do what it takes to make it better. Don't limit ideas to just google sheets. With the increased activity and complexity of project needs, google sheets may not be the best tool. We may be ready for some simple to use project management tool. I will be more than eager to contribute to this area in any way.

KellyCooper (Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:55:17 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=pp9cbn9CG64rbLBTr) @rdmross Thank you Richard. This is a great start/simple tool that works. Kelly

atcvince (Wed, 17 Oct 2018 05:35:34 GMT):
@tkuhrt Requested changes for PR#104 have been applied. If merged, I can create the PR for Chapter 4 (Technical Requirements). CC: @KellyCooper @SjirNijssen @nathalie-ckc

atcvince (Wed, 17 Oct 2018 05:35:34 GMT):
@tkuhrt Requested changes for PR#104 have been applied. If merged, I'll create the PR for Chapter 4: Technical Requirements (Issue#47) from my repo. CC: @KellyCooper @SjirNijssen @nathalie-ckc

KellyCooper (Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:07:57 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=3E8pCHFL25C6SZNhz) @atcvince Thank you Vince.

KellyCooper (Wed, 17 Oct 2018 22:28:05 GMT):
I will not be in the Monday meeting - I will prepare the agenda, email it out, etc. Will someone volunteer to review the agenda with the group? Thank you. Kelly

SjirNijssen (Thu, 18 Oct 2018 08:24:29 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=G2yJm8TmrBmJXxmuo) @KellyCooper Hi Kelly, I will submit two concrete proposals to the WG. I will add them to the agenda.

Bobbijn (Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:52:56 GMT):
Kelly, I will be on the call Monday and if I can help with the agenda let me know. @KellyCooper

KellyCooper (Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:58:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=a767C5k9DkGb8FAcw) @Bobbijn Yes, thanks Bobbi. I will message a couple of details this weekend. Kelly

SjirNijssen (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 08:53:21 GMT):
@KellyCooper @atcvince @ikocsis @Bobbijn @tkuhrt @DavidBoswell @tahaf10 @OlgaLarsen @Thaddeus @paulransfield @yacovm and all others This morning I read in a respectable newspaper a translation of an article published Oct 15 in the US. The article contains many true assertions, but another fact is that it contains also a few seriously untrue assertions. If you are interested we could discuss this here. I continue to stress that we need to move the balance between quatity and quality somewhat and give more attention to the quality of the knowledge that we as a WG will make available. The article can be found here: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/blockchain-big-lie-by-nouriel-roubini-2018-10

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yacovm (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 09:37:53 GMT):
Seems like the article revolves around permissionless blockchains though

SjirNijssen (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 13:00:19 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=uibo2npw8aECPuDQY) @yacovm Yes, for you as one of the world's top 100 experts in blockchain technology this is immediately clear. However, the translation of this article was published in what you could call the Dutch Wall Street Journal or the Dutch Financial Times. Their readership does not consist of top blockchain experts. But many of them have the power to decide to try out or block a new technology. I consider this irresponsible of the editorial staff just as I consider it irresposible that a professor has written this. Do you think my assessment is too harsh or can you agree with my assessment? Would I have been a member of the editorial staff, I would have voted for the title: The Big Crypto Blockchain Lie.

yacovm (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:17:48 GMT):
> But many of them have the power to decide to try out or block a new technology. That's a shame :) > I consider this irresponsible of the editorial staff just as I consider it irresposible that a professor has written this. Do you think my assessment is too harsh or can you agree with my assessment? I think the article first shot the arrow and draw the target around it later on ;) It's clearly biased... If you want to influence your government you can publish a counter article

atcvince (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:22:31 GMT):
@SjirNijssen To me, Decision Makers, for the most part, will not make the choice of exploring blockchain technology solely based on a single person’s opinion (for or against). In the meantime, we do what we can with what we’ve got.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:37:49 GMT):
@yacovm @atcvince @KellyCooper I propose that the T & E WG will work on an article, based on the concept list for end users produced in the past months and makes it clear in laylanguage that there is a vast difference (in terms of effects for society) between trustless and trustful blockchain technology, and a smaller common technical aspect.

yacovm (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:40:13 GMT):
Great idea

atcvince (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:46:56 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I’d consider taking it a step back to cover the fact that blockchain is more than just cryptocurrencies.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:59:40 GMT):
@yacov @atcvince @KellyCooper I propose that the article is based on the characteristics of immutability of recorded data (not limited to assets) and its consequences for a democratic society, on the new possibilites of faster and regulated (agreed by the parties directly involved) cooperation between organizations and individuals as a next step in the development of a more democratic society. Please feel invited to be critical on these two aspects and if you believe we need to include more aspects, I welcome to read them here. How immutability and new forms of cooperation is realized is a technical implementation aspect that may change over time, is my belief.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 20 Oct 2018 19:22:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=NQi7FhUuIWnw5PA3ly) @atcvince Vince, I fully agree with your suggestion. I believe my proposal above is in line with your suggestion.

tahaf10 (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 12:10:27 GMT):
@SjirNijssen The article is clearly quite biased. I agree that your title "The Big Crypto Blockchain Lie" would've made better sense, but the author did include a small paragraph about enterprise DLTs and he couldn't have been more wrong there as well. Agree with @atcvince that focus should be on portraying Blockchain as more than just cryptocurrencies, with a major emphasis going to the Enterprise DLT aspect. Exactly how the enterprise application of blockchain (especially hyperledger) is advantageous should be explored

SjirNijssen (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:02:47 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=nkFEyS3QyKfAqfhdJ) @tahaf10 Thanks for your suggestions. We seem to move towards agreement.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:20:10 GMT):
@KellyCooper @atcvince @yacovm @ikocsis @tkuhrt @DavidBoswell @tahaf10 @OlgaLarsen @Thaddeus @paulransfield @Bobbijn and all other members of the T & E WG. Thank you for all the suggestions. As a result I propose to focus on the following 5 related topics 1. blockchain for law abiding applications 2. immutable facts, rules and concept definitions (hence move away from the narrow asset concept) 3. direct inter-enterprise cooperation as an extension of intra-Enterprise cooperation (which has been developed during the last three centuries) 4. digital identities 5. no single point of failure, and the associated conceptual view of the current implementation technology. Please let me know whether you agree or want to include further topics. I still believe that the set of basic and supporting concepts is already for the most part available in the existing concept list for end users and decision makers. The proposal is to add a readable text such that intelligent laypeople can easily understand the contents and extend this with an interactive component. Please let the channel members know what you think about this proposal.

ikocsis (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 20:03:04 GMT):
This article is really surprising and disheartening, especially so that Roubini is so high-profile (even I, a layman in economics, recognize his name)... The paper bends quite a few facts to serve its underlying agenda and is flat-out factually wrong on most points for consortial blockchains/DLTs. I support Sjir's suggestion of putting together an "educational paper" for "intelligent laypeople". Regarding the 5 focus topics, a few subjective comments: 1.) Abiding the law is maybe not the aspect I would stress... Rather, the characteristic that this whole thing is actually not magic: just distributed systems maintaining the contents of a "worksheet" (there, Roubini is onto something true, although his evaluation is wrong) by group consensus. What is important is that such systems can come in many sizes and forms - from very small closed networks (with meticulously vetted membership) to internet scale open ones (with the proverbial "unwashed messes" - although I don't really like the term - as membership.) And at the "lower" end of the scale, you don't even have to introduce "cryptocurrencies" and "cryptoassets". I don't know, maybe the point I try to get at is that we have to stress that the "boring blockchains" are rather different beasts. 2.) Sjir, I understand that you want to move away from a focus on the asset concept and I do agree with it - the problem is, that this is not exactly easy to do given the (publicly known) applications of Hyperledger Fabric... So this is something that may especially need justification with actual examples. 5.) I would rather say highly fault tolerant by nature - "no SPOF" is a very specific claim, depends on deployment design, you need to specify what you mean by (independent) faults and failures, etc.

ikocsis (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 20:10:48 GMT):
And I respectfully propose one more focus point: "opportunities of blockchainification" (any native English speaker is heartfully thanked for translating this to actual English). Shedding a light on the "why", either in contrast to public blockchains or to centralized systems or both, seems to me to be important.

SjirNijssen (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 20:13:51 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=ZRisBc5bbypzbvFk7) @ikocsis Interesting; which aspect or feauture of blockchainification do you mean>

ikocsis (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 20:36:48 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=myc4eCguggrbZudPZ) @SjirNijssen I don't have a taxonomy for this (should do a google scholar sweep again, some time elapsed since I lasted looked for it), but by example: for supply chains, "reducing friction" is one (I think IBM quotes a 70% reduction in cases where disagreement of parties needed some "documentation forensics"?); for markets where there's already a "trusted third party", trust disintermediation is there, sure, but not paying the costs and profits of that party can be a major thing; for existing, but fragmented markets without a trusted third party (to my knowledge, many-many-many correspondence banking scenarios) reduced costs without introducing a new third party (in that case, cost is not only operational - there's the aspect of FX conversion and other risks); for reinsurance and trade finance scenarios we should maybe ask some IBM people (-> we.trade); there are projects for academic degree verification and such -> in addition to the cost angle, there's trust and transparency. A lot of this is present in industry-specific publications in a bit fragmented way. And this is by far not only the central bank issued analyses; e.g. I read a nice analysis from PwC on the energy sector. Apparently, subscriber roaming is a thing there, too (or at least something the energy sectors wants, too; and something that telcos do through third parties on the financial side, as I was informed)...

ikocsis (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 20:42:20 GMT):
@SjirNijssen And this is only moving existing business models to the blockchain; at the moment you have a consortium - a "marketplace", if you like - you can come up with nice and interesting ideas. I can't confirm this, but the cynic in me said early on (and there's this book to prove this: https://www.amazon.com/Supply-Chain-Finance-Blockchain-Technology-ebook/dp/B074KWQKYC, although can't find the time to read it) that the real importance of the supply chain scenarios is that once you have this platform, you can come up with financing, insurance and lending models that would have been practically impossible without the trusted network that the blockchain can provide.

ikocsis (Sun, 21 Oct 2018 20:46:23 GMT):
So phenomenologically, this is what I mean - explaining why anybody should care, what this is good for "in real life", if we discard cryptocurrencies and/or close the network down and/or make every participant to "carry papers".

SjirNijssen (Mon, 22 Oct 2018 06:55:02 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=x3Tw2scYec5KGzYA6) @ikocsis Imre, I very much like this phrase: "So phenomenologically, this is what I mean - explaining why anybody should care, what this is good for "in real life." Indeed, a white paper by the T & E WG with that emphasis will be welcomed by many audiences, is my estimate.

atcvince (Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:34:34 GMT):
@KellyCooper @SjirNijssen @tkuhrt @Bobbijn @nathalie-ckc I've got a meeting conflict at 10am, so if I am able to show up for this morning's call, it will after 08:30am PST.

atcvince (Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:36:20 GMT):
Apologies... my work laptop is on Central Time... so my meeting is at 10:00am Central (8:00am Pacific). It's a 30 minute meeting so I'm hopeful I can join the Call immediately after.

rdmross (Mon, 22 Oct 2018 15:35:14 GMT):
My zoom window locked up a 30 minutes into meeting see rdmross rocket chat message - oct 15 5:56 PM

SjirNijssen (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:19:46 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=x3Tw2scYec5KGzYA6) @ikocsis Imre, your reference to a market place between quotation marks made me do some further analysis. As I said above: 3. direct inter-enterprise cooperation as an extension of intra-Enterprise cooperation (which has been developed during the last three centuries resulting in making available much more food and many more goods to many many people; think of the enormous increase of food, housing and other basics that became available in Europe since WWII for many more people tahn before). Let us find out the overlap between what you call "marketplace" and the "inter-enterprise cooperation". A lot of time has been invested in the last three centuries how to perform work within an organization more efficiently. With the inter-enterprise cooperation we can extend that work into this inter-enterprise territory. This inter-enterprise cooperation will be based on legally enforcible contracts. Let us clearly distinguish between these contracts and smart contracts, although the latter have to be based on the former. Legally enforcible contracts also means that the legal entities are known, including the relevant jurisdiction. Does that make sense? @ KellyCooper @yacovm @tkuhrt @DavidBoswell @tahaf10 @OlgaLarsen @Bobbijn @paulransfield and all other members of the T & E WG are invited to comment.

SjirNijssen (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:19:46 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=x3Tw2scYec5KGzYA6) @ikocsis Imre, your reference to a market place between quotation marks made me do some further analysis. As I said above: 3. direct inter-enterprise cooperation as an extension of intra-Enterprise cooperation (which has been developed during the last three centuries resulting in making available much more food and many more goods to many many people; think of the enormous increase of food, housing and other basics that became available in Europe since WWII for many more people tahn before). Let us find out the overlap between what you call "marketplace" and the "inter-enterprise cooperation". A lot of time has been invested in the last three centuries how to perform work within an organization more efficiently. With the inter-enterprise cooperation we can extend that work into this inter-enterprise territory. This inter-enterprise cooperation will be based on legally enforcible contracts. Let us clearly distinguish between these contracts and smart contracts, although the latter have to be based on the former. Legally enforcible contracts also means that the legal entities are known, including the relevant jurisdiction. Does that make sense? @KellyCooper @yacovm @tkuhrt @DavidBoswell @tahaf10 @OlgaLarsen @Bobbijn @paulransfield and all other members of the T & E WG are invited to comment.

SjirNijssen (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:22:21 GMT):
@atcvince Excuse me Vince, see above message. Please let us know what you think about this "marketplace" and "inter-enterprise cooperation".

tahaf10 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:24:58 GMT):
@SjirNijssen I agree with what you say. There should be a framework, or a reference point, or something like that to differentiate between a simple smart contract & a legal smart contract. And some guidelines which suggest some generic use-cases which are suitable for a legal smart contract implementation. There isn't much to go on in this direction right now

tahaf10 (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 09:28:16 GMT):
Is the plan to use the accord project for all legal smart contract implementations?

ikocsis (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:15:40 GMT):
@SjirNijssen - yes, there seems to be a duality in "actually sensible" consortial applications; one strong

ikocsis (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:15:40 GMT):
@SjirNijssen - yes, there seem to be strong patterns in "actually sensible" consortial applications

ikocsis (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:16:31 GMT):
one is the "marketplace" abstraction, the other one is the business process automation angle

ikocsis (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:16:52 GMT):
a third one _may_ be the "notary service" aspect

SjirNijssen (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:59:00 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=pgEnKhNtapA7Y8HiP) @tahaf10 The New Programming Model in Fabric (available for testing) is a good step in that direction.

SjirNijssen (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:02:58 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=S4XwHafG4AvhH3e9Q) @ikocsis Imre, indeed the three patterns are practical consortial applications. I met with a very experienced (European) notary a few weeks ago and discussed with him the new functionalities as discussed above. He was very interested to learn more. The planned discussion of 45 minutes became actually almost 2 hours. Please note that there is a big difference between the functions of a European and US Notary.

SjirNijssen (Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:05:09 GMT):
@ikocsis My understanding of the functionalities of interest in the European Notary field is in the first place the immutability of documents and the second the inter-enterprise cooperation.

iamsteveng (Wed, 24 Oct 2018 09:02:49 GMT):
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iamsteveng (Wed, 24 Oct 2018 09:04:18 GMT):
Is there any ways I can reach out a Hyperledger Fabric contributor / experienced developer in Hong Kong?

Daka (Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:19:09 GMT):
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KellyCooper (Wed, 24 Oct 2018 19:00:43 GMT):
There are a few fabric groups here in RocketChat. There are a couple of Hyperledger channels in Telegram where you may be able to inquire of a HKG developer.

KellyCooper (Wed, 24 Oct 2018 19:00:43 GMT):
There are a few Hyperledger Fabric groups here in RocketChat. There are a couple of Hyperledger channels in Telegram where you may be able to inquire of a HKG developer.

iamsteveng (Thu, 25 Oct 2018 01:18:21 GMT):
cool thanks

KellyCooper (Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:39:16 GMT):
@SjirNijssen Please have whoever volunteered to take minutes in Monday's meeting add them below the agenda, as per previous meetings. Minutes and the meeting's recording are required. Until the end of October, the recording is automatic so nothing needs to be done there. Thanks, Kelly

SjirNijssen (Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:47:48 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=2voH6unXdrYiX3hwy) @KellyCooper I plan to add them this evening.

SjirNijssen (Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:29:59 GMT):
@KellyCooper @atcvince @ikocsis @tahaf10 @yacovm @paulransfield @tkuhrt @DavidBoswell @OlgaLarsen @Bobbijn and all other members of this channel. Let us continue the fruitful discussion of last weekend. My conclusion is that there is sufficient interest to write an article for a broad audience of end users and decision makers based on a large subset of the concept list developed so far. A subset of the concept list could be attached in an appendix. The article should focus on the effects of enterprise blockchain technology, with emphasis on Fabric. Imre says: "the characteristic that this whole thing is actually not magic: just distribited systems maintaining the contents of a "worksheet" by group consensus." Could we agree that the worksheet has two different but strongly related components, the transaction (transitions) and the current state. The transactions are immutable by simple magic, the state is not protected by that magic. The transaction consists of asserted facts, the state of derived facts. I propose to work point by point and then we base the article on the points receive sufficient endorsements. I look forward to your reactions.

KellyCooper (Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:36:57 GMT):
My thought is to complete the Concepts Document. Edits, comments, etc. Kelly

SjirNijssen (Sun, 28 Oct 2018 07:13:47 GMT):
@KellyCooper and all others, let us accept the proposal of Kelly and first complete the Concepts document. May I ask everybody to make further suggestions known in this channel and I promise to process them within 24 hours. I hope once we agree on the concept list for end users and decision makers we can use this list to base a text on.

tahaf10 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:55:59 GMT):
What is remaining in the concepts document? Only the things mentioned To-Do? Most of that is related to consensus on Sawtooth, Burrow, Indy & Iroha

tahaf10 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:56:48 GMT):
I'm trying to figure out how I can contribute. I can start on the consensus for Sawtooth

SjirNijssen (Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:27:18 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=XSkPy7RYZ4hkGy9NQ) @tahaf10 I believe that most persons are interested to know how to use either Fabric, or Sawtooth, or Indy or Iroha. Hence let us produce separate concept lists, is my proposal. Of course there is overlap in these lists. I have read so far very few messages in the chat channels by people that want to combine two or more platforms. As Fabric is ahead in the development race I believe it is reasonable to start with Fabric. We theareafter take the next according to availability of documentation. What do you think?

tahaf10 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:15:18 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=unr3WL5P9aCPKy7Fm) @SjirNijssen You are correct. It does make sense to have separate concept lists. As for combinations, I think Fabric & Burrow is the only mainstream combo. And I think we should focus on that as well

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SjirNijssen (Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:48:37 GMT):
@tahaf10 I agree with your proposal. Hence we will first do the concept list for end users and decision makers for Fabric, and thereafter for the combination of Fabric and Burrow. Everybody is invited to add his/her suggestions.

KellyCooper (Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:09:25 GMT):
Please note that our 5 November and future meeting time will be 10:00 am PST. Per the request of several participants who cannot attend at 8:00, the time change in the US, and the trial time change request from China participants who have not been in attendance. Thanks, Kelly

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SjirNijssen (Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:27:46 GMT):
@tahaf10 Which concept definitions for fabric are missing in your opinion in the current concept list for end users and decision makers?

tahaf10 (Tue, 30 Oct 2018 10:59:50 GMT):
Couple of things. At the end of the concept list there are 2 different headings for smart contracts and chaincode. In Fabric terms, they're the same thing. So I think the Smart Contract heading should be removed and the chaincode heading should simply define that in Hyperledger Fabric, Smart Contracts are referred to as chaincode. Secondly, I think there should be a little more detail on endorsement policy. This is key to the addition of new blocks into the blockchain in a trustless environment, and it should be explicitly explained to decision makers what endorsement policies are and that they can define endorsing policies according to their requirements.

tahaf10 (Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:00:35 GMT):
Rest, I think is fine for a high-level perspective. If something else comes to my mind I'll let you know here

SjirNijssen (Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:22:34 GMT):
@tahaf10 Thanks for your suggestions. Ad Smart contract and chaincode. It turns out that users of Fabric have asked to have Fabric terms more in line with the meaning known in industry. Provisionally it looks like the following: the term Smart Contract refers to the domain speficic code while chaincode will be used for domain independent code like the chaincode for life cycle management. Ad endorsement: I agree that endorsement is such an important topic in Fabric that it needs to be made very clear that it is the intent that management can indeed speficy all their endorsement functionality in a declarative endorsement policy.

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ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 13:59:47 GMT):
Having given a good read of the concepts document, I think the concept list is really good (modulo editing and proofreading). What is missing for my (personal!) taste is (literally) a big picture figure with a conceptually very low resolution (so everybody can understand it right away; I know that took me an inconveniently long amount of pondering to come up with my low-res mental image of blockchains). This could serve as a "lead up"/"warmup" to the concept list. I put together one and will share it here shortly (I don't want to mess up the doc, first it will need the group's vetting.)

SjirNijssen (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:20:58 GMT):
@ikocsis Thanks for you suggestion. The big picture has been recently modified in the right direction, namely a much simpler API for the client application developer, while maintaining the same functionality. As this is currently in tests, I propose we move to the more understandable architecture. What do you think?

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:28:23 GMT):
I think I wasn't clear enough :) I mean something like this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xvO5rWvuHVq326evp7ixmpYssgk0tT8t8Ej0NlslaRA/edit?usp=sharing

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:29:25 GMT):
I think it was even a comment of Tracy that maybe we should _begin_ from a more generic stance

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:30:44 GMT):
And I also feel that something technology-neutral should maybe precede the specific material (certainly keeping in mind that the concept list should tilt towards Hyperledger, so I try to keep this short - always a challenge)

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:31:38 GMT):
Please let me know if you think this would be useful in our current document (i.e. whether it makes sense for me to put this draft together)

KellyCooper (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 16:30:52 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=y5ajKiHoyKmC3ptXH) @SjirNijssen Today in TSC a couple of people mentioned a possible redundancy with other efforts. They asked you to please check with what the Architecture group is doing and the Defined Metrix White Paper. There may be additional groups to engage with. Thanks, Kelly

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 17:07:31 GMT):
@KellyCooper I am one of the contributors of the metrics whitepaper (if we are talking about the PSWG-created document); I think the decision maker/end user concept list should be mostly complementary to that (some reconciliation should be certainly done, but only after the concept paper is finished). I don't think that we should talk about e.g. transaction finality here...

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 17:13:30 GMT):
But the architecture group is a white spot to me; is anyone from there present here?

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 17:17:12 GMT):
I wrote up my first stab at some introduction to the concept list (see above) - and I just realized that we can simply say "go and read this first" :) https://www.hyperledger.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/HL_Whitepaper_IntroductiontoHyperledger.pdf

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 17:56:54 GMT):

Clipboard - November 1, 2018 6:56 PM

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 17:56:57 GMT):
I was bothered that I can't keep the document in my head at once - so I created a small mindmap of what we have now. You may find it useful, too (categorizations mine):

KellyCooper (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 18:09:24 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=bJ6L5eCCtvRWMxj5c) @ikocsis Thanks! for coming into this channel to address this issue. @SjirNijssen is lead on this concepts paper. Sjir, please take a look at the related notes. Kelly

KellyCooper (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 18:09:24 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=bJ6L5eCCtvRWMxj5c) @ikocsis Thanks! for helping into this channel to address this issue. @SjirNijssen is lead on this concepts paper. Sjir, please take a look at the related notes. Kelly

KellyCooper (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 18:09:24 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=bJ6L5eCCtvRWMxj5c) @ikocsis Thanks! for helping to address this issue. @SjirNijssen is lead on this concepts paper. Sjir, please take a look at the related notes. Kelly

SjirNijssen (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 18:41:16 GMT):
@ikocsis @KellyCooper Thanks for the Google doc. I wanted to respond in the doc but I get the message: I have no permission to do so. Can you please provide me that permission? Thanks

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 18:44:18 GMT):
@SjirNijssen sure, I modified the share settings; thanks for having a look at it and also, anyone is welcome to comment (either on specifics, or on whether to use it in the current or the next effort)

SjirNijssen (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:02:56 GMT):
@ikocsis @KellyCooper Thanks for the permission. I just did the first round of suggestions in the paper.

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:18:56 GMT):
@SjirNijssen @KellyCooper thanks, I appreciate it. I will try to work on this more tomorrow and also put the concept doc and the PSWG paper side by side. Having visualized the current concept paper, I would maybe suggest a) working out governance and trust as a knowledge acquisition ordered concept list (these seem to be really important and the material is good, just not in-style); b) for decision makers and end users, I'm not sure any cryptography is needed; c) are the Fabric-specific things needed for such a document? And I think there should be a decision whether to include George's contributions in this document or to defer it.

SjirNijssen (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:15:58 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=7q7hYJ3rf8LxssbEL) @ikocsis I believe that end users and decision makers want to know something about a product ""they can buy" and not about the overall framework, and this conclusion is based on the systematic analisys of the messages in the chat channels. Further, my proposal is to include only contents that is based on papers. cate in propose to communicate from 30.000 feet level about cryptography.

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:32:31 GMT):
@SjirNijssen Sjir, as you planned and lead this effort and I didn't do such an analysis at all, I certainly won't question that; a far better wording would have been that these are just my personal impressions. Could you please clarify the last two points?

SjirNijssen (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:37:32 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/training-and-education-wg?msg=LEZ9beeSQauZNHsYp) @ikocsis Papers that have been promised to be submitted for consideration cannot be taken into account, if not delivered. Let us talk in very general terms about the application of cryptography. let us first complete the work for Fabric and then see what the best next platform we can do and so on.

ikocsis (Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:48:34 GMT):
Ok, thanks, I understand.

tkuhrt (Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:50:37 GMT):
Room name changed to: learning-materials-development-wg by tkuhrt

tkuhrt (Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:51:13 GMT):
Learning Materials Development (formerly, Training and Education) Working Group

tkuhrt (Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:34:36 GMT):
@ikocsis : I really like the mindmap that you put together. Looking at that shows me that the concepts document may be a bit too complex. the original idea behind this was to make something that was simple and straightforward for decision makers to read/understand as they were attempting to understand this new technology. I also like that you are considering how we can use some of the other whitepapers that the other working groups have already created: [1] [An Introduction to Hyperledger](https://www.hyperledger.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/HL_Whitepaper_IntroductiontoHyperledger.pdf) - Whitepaper WG [2] [Hyperledger Architecture, Volume 1: Introduction to Hyperledger Business Blockchain Design Philosophy and Consensus](https://www.hyperledger.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Hyperledger_Arch_WG_Paper_1_Consensus.pdf) - Architecture WG [3] [Hyperledger Architecture, Volume 2: Smart Contracts](https://www.hyperledger.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Hyperledger_Arch_WG_Paper_2_SmartContracts.pdf) - Architecture WG [4] [Hyperledger Blockchain Performance Metrics White Paper](https://www.hyperledger.org/resources/publications/blockchain-performance-metrics#) - Performance and Scalability WG [5] [Sawtooth: An Introduction](https://www.hyperledger.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Hyperledger_Sawtooth_WhitePaper.pdf) - Sawtooth community [6] [Fabric: An Introduction](https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/whatis.html) - Fabric community

tkuhrt (Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:38:35 GMT):
@atcvince @nathalie-ckc : Sorry for disappearing for a couple of weeks. I was traveling to Australia. I would really like to catch up on what I missed with the work that you were both doing with the EdX stuff. I believe I got the majority of your suggested changes into V2 of the course, but I am probably behind with my PR work. Thanks for all the hard work you both put into getting this done.

tkuhrt (Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:39:16 GMT):
@atirekg : I noticed that you had a PR for some changes to the EdX course too, but I have not had a chance to review them. Was it a problem with versions that was causing errors?

SjirNijssen (Sun, 04 Nov 2018 05:25:55 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=vpoCAKSWuvkxwTDLz) @tkuhrt May I invite you to be a bit more specific about the part "the concepts document may be a bit too complex". Do you mean: the fact that there are concepts lists for specific audiences, is a bit too complex and/or do you mean that the concept list for end users and decision makers is too complex? On the former a simple yes or no, would be appreciated, on the latter I would like to read which concept definitions of the 36 are, in your opinion, a bit too complex. In case the answer can be formulated in the channel before the next telecon, it gives us all an opportunity to be better prepared for the next telecon, or even better, have a fruitful exchange of thoughts before the telecon. Thanks for your attention.

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AndreasVlachosUnic (Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:54:18 GMT):
Hello everyone! This is Andreas Vlachos, the Academic Coordinator Officer of the Blockchain Initiative at the University of Nicosia - the first university in the world to offer an MSc in Digital Currency and publish academic certificates on the Blockchain I would really love to get your help on how our university can actively contribute to the Hyperledger Community. As a first step we are planning to create a Hyperledger-specific course on our MSc program We are also planning to organize a Certified Hyperledger Specialist Workshop and would appreciate any contribution to this cause! https://dts.decentralized.com/certified-hyperledger-specialist/

Bobbijn (Mon, 05 Nov 2018 14:45:47 GMT):
Hello everyone, Just shared a presentation that covers the basics. Talk soon. Bobbi

tkuhrt (Mon, 05 Nov 2018 16:38:41 GMT):
@SjirNijssen : My comment was based on the mindmap that @ikocsis had put together. The scope of what is being covered is what seems complex. I am wondering if the document is going much deeper than what was originally intended.

Bobbijn (Mon, 05 Nov 2018 19:05:57 GMT):
Hello everyone, here is the Google Link to presentation; https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1VZ9D51a8JDxq9sozQ5D31Fe5GTqjDcn-TEL_jG7XsGs/edit#slide=id.p1

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KellyCooper (Tue, 06 Nov 2018 19:15:32 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=SuM36BCjxZvnzdzuj) @Bobbijn Bobbi, this is asking for access permission. It needs to be put in the shared folder, in Working Docs. I added a folder in Working Docs> PresentationsForReview if you can put it there with the same shared access as the folders within Working Docs

KellyCooper (Wed, 07 Nov 2018 13:11:16 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=J6iy3xK2k3Dis3JG5) Hi Bobbi, I'm uploading from the meeting, no need to redo. Thanks, Kelly

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KellyCooper (Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:46:53 GMT):
Here is the link to Bobbi's presentation draft for WG review and comments: https://goo.gl/ngt9Co

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AndreasVlachosUnic (Fri, 09 Nov 2018 10:28:47 GMT):
At the University of Nicosia, we aim to organize a Hyperledger Specialist Workshop for the community sometime early next year. Feel free to PM me if you wish to contribute https://dts.decentralized.com/certified-hyperledger-specialist/

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rdmross (Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:18:08 GMT):
I made changes on the links page including fixes, new links, easier to use. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training_education_navigation_site_navigation_links

rdmross (Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:46:45 GMT):
I could not put today's Meeting Recordings at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_NJV6eJXAA1TlpnbXpsbWw4UHc I put the recording file 12172018meeting-766x480.mp4 in LearningMaterialsDevelopment WG > Working Doc > Richard-Folder at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aPRBScMlFoixNYVgRLe3Uv_y66gcXFd9 Somebody with rights to the Meeting Recordings folder needs to move the file there.

st (Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:47:20 GMT):
Hello, I am Sofia Terzi from CERTH/ITI. Yesterday during the meeting I said that in my opinion in order to recruit new active members for the WG is to provide an easy way for them to understand how to start contributing. I volunteered to start a guide for people not so experienced in open source and communities. So I uploaded today the first version of the slides here `https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1r3kpCEhz84Yrh02330eT7EcvQM5F3gkd` please comment. If the file needs to be moved elsewhere please inform me. Thank you

st (Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:47:20 GMT):
Hello, I am Sofia Terzi from CERTH/ITI. Yesterday during the meeting I said that in my opinion in order to recruit new active members for the WG we should to provide an easy way for them to understand how to start contributing. I volunteered to start a guide for people not so experienced in open source and communities. So I uploaded today the first version of the slides here `https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1r3kpCEhz84Yrh02330eT7EcvQM5F3gkd` please comment. If the file needs to be moved elsewhere please inform me. Thank you

st (Tue, 18 Dec 2018 12:47:20 GMT):
Hello, I am Sofia Terzi from CERTH/ITI. Yesterday during the meeting I said that in my opinion in order to recruit new active members for the WG we should provide an easy way for them to understand how to start contributing. I volunteered to start a guide for people not so experienced in open source and communities. So I uploaded today the first version of the slides here `https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1r3kpCEhz84Yrh02330eT7EcvQM5F3gkd` please comment. If the file needs to be moved elsewhere please inform me. Thank you

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rbole (Thu, 20 Dec 2018 05:36:23 GMT):
Hi, I am Roland and I would like to help, how can I start?

st (Thu, 20 Dec 2018 07:45:39 GMT):
Hi @rbole, first take a look here https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg. If it is not clear enough for you, as I mentioned above I made a guide for people that want to contribute. If you join the group you will have access to it and maybe comment if it helped you :upside_down: [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t3hoOY33a6v5HeDLxjq6spvaHP8Rhv9T1M_6aRndzNY/edit#slide=id.p1] (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t3hoOY33a6v5HeDLxjq6spvaHP8Rhv9T1M_6aRndzNY/edit#slide=id.p1)

st (Thu, 20 Dec 2018 07:45:39 GMT):
Hi @rbole, first take a look here https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg. If it is not clear enough for you, as I mentioned above I made a guide for people that want to contribute. If you join the group you will have access to it and maybe comment if it helped you :upside_down: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t3hoOY33a6v5HeDLxjq6spvaHP8Rhv9T1M_6aRndzNY/edit#slide=id.p1]

st (Thu, 20 Dec 2018 07:45:39 GMT):
Hi @rbole, first take a look here https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/training-and-education/training-and-education-wg. If it is not clear enough for you, as I mentioned above I made a guide for people who want to contribute. If you join the group you will have access to it and maybe comment if it helped you :upside_down: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1t3hoOY33a6v5HeDLxjq6spvaHP8Rhv9T1M_6aRndzNY/edit#slide=id.p1]

rbole (Thu, 20 Dec 2018 19:09:22 GMT):
hi @st, thanks for your info. I can write some tutorials, is there a list of tutorials needed?

KellyCooper (Thu, 20 Dec 2018 20:44:18 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=89HjdJ7ta8jjafmR3) @rdmross Will do. Thanks Richard.

KellyCooper (Thu, 20 Dec 2018 20:44:33 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=d4pgDuJTEedhFvqfw) @rdmross Thanks!

st (Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:57:21 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=LytQIrV8o7Mmu5zZgF) @rbole I don't think that there is a list, but you can make a list for tutorials you think that might be needed :relaxed:

st (Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:58:43 GMT):
Also I would suggest you to listen to the last meeting recordings rdmross uploaded them as he says and find out what else you can do, i.e. help with fabric-sawtooth-indy edx open moocs

st (Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:58:43 GMT):
Also I would suggest you to listen to the last meeting recordings (rdmross uploaded them as he says above) and find out what else you can do, i.e. help with fabric-sawtooth-indy edx open moocs

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lcj (Tue, 25 Dec 2018 03:09:08 GMT):
Hello everyone. The Certified Hyperledger Fabric Administrator (CHFA) will based on fabric which version? who knows?

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SJoshi7 (Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:31:34 GMT):
hello everyone, I am working on a hyperledger project and need some help. Can anyone guide me ?

KellyCooper (Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:47:37 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=HcRrxjojCjJXsRHfC) @SJoshi7 This working group is where we support creating learning materials development for edX courses, meetups, etc. Your question is too open for a direct response; however, if you know what project you are working with I encourage you to join one of those channels where those working groups respond well to specific questions. Thanks, Kelly

KellyCooper (Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:50:49 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=3nqH3t6A2tWr28Gc2) @lcj The CHFA and other certified courses are outside of this volunteer group. They are professionally built by the Linux Foundation. Here is their contact us page: https://training.linuxfoundation.org/about/contact-us/

KellyCooper (Sun, 30 Dec 2018 15:56:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=LytQIrV8o7Mmu5zZgF) @rbole We will meet 31 December at 10:00 am to develop a list. Feel free to contribute your ideas to: https://goo.gl/5okfk1

rbole (Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:38:15 GMT):
hi, happy new year, I am too late for this but I will look into this list. @KellyCooper [ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=4Qyfirc6BKQMF4Ycb)

rdmross (Wed, 02 Jan 2019 18:03:41 GMT):
I have the 12-31 meeting screen-cast at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13RTfTG0bRqjkIsw_aaZjAaBTKdRMoTdN

rdmross (Wed, 02 Jan 2019 18:03:41 GMT):
I have the 12-31 meeting screen-cast at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13RTfTG0bRqjkIsw_aaZjAaBTKdRMoTdN It did not capture the audio of my voice but everybody else is captured.

rdmross (Wed, 02 Jan 2019 18:03:41 GMT):
I have the 12-31 meeting screen-cast at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13RTfTG0bRqjkIsw_aaZjAaBTKdRMoTdN , in the Richard Folder of Working Docs. It did not capture the audio of my voice but everybody else is captured.

st (Thu, 03 Jan 2019 08:36:40 GMT):
Hello to everybody, I wish you all a great new year!! I just watched the recording of the last meeting. I already expressed an interest to @KellyCooper to help with the smart contracts subgroup, nice goals you set there. It would be great to have some more info about specific tasks in order to start working on them

KellyCooper (Thu, 03 Jan 2019 13:58:48 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=cz63gXiahXk3RZPYv) @st I noted our smart contracts project on the individual page of the 2019 OKR worksheet: https://goo.gl/1F6pgJ Feel free to add more to it and we can discuss more in messages too.

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SJoshi7 (Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:16:03 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=ZNjMxNQFPNoaroGdv) @KellyCooper I went through this sheet and I wish to contribute in the learning material. ( I am computer engineering undergraduate)

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KellyCooper (Mon, 07 Jan 2019 13:47:41 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=FyqLDdkpxyfznTaj8) @SJoshi7 Great! I will look at the sheet today and offer some specific ideas in the next two days. Thanks!

SJoshi7 (Tue, 08 Jan 2019 05:23:35 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=2DibTZXnbmcE29eXK) @KellyCooper Thanks ! It would be great if I can get to write on some not so advanced topics but the basic ones.

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muniyaraj (Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:51:38 GMT):
I need small example to changing ownership from one to another in same network using javascript in sawtooth. can you please share materials please guid me

KellyCooper (Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:04:36 GMT):
Please ask the #sawtooth working group. Thanks, Kelly

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rdmross (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:53:20 GMT):
On the last meeting, I said I would prepare material to help understand how to use git/GitHub. I did not do that yet. I did extract from a meeting recording where Morgan Benton spent 12 minutes demonstrating how GitHub works enough to contribute to this group. go to https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aPRBScMlFoixNYVgRLe3Uv_y66gcXFd9 click on GithubByMorganBenton.mp4 to play it. For those who are still uncomfortable about how to use it, please let me know about any confusion you may have on how to use it. Either reply here or send me an email at r@uar.biz. With that feedback, I can better design effective git/GitHub training material.

Bobbijn (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:31:57 GMT):
Hello everyone, I just wanted to share the minutes of today's meeting. Have a great week, Bobbi

Bobbijn (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:32:16 GMT):
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/13RTfTG0bRqjkIsw_aaZjAaBTKdRMoTdN

Bobbijn (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:32:31 GMT):

Learning Materials Development Working Group Meeting Minutes 1-14.docx

Silona (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:46:41 GMT):
BTW here is y'alls new space https://wiki2.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG

rdmross (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:46:43 GMT):
I just found out that my recording of the meeting is no good. The only audio captured was mine and nobody else. Until I figure out what went wrong, please do not depend on me to record future meetings.

Silona (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:05:46 GMT):
You have to be the lead for the meeting I believe.

Silona (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:05:52 GMT):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIjsIAAFXz4 about confluence

Silona (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:06:53 GMT):
Though we don't have cloud we have server version so other countries can access it

Silona (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:07:53 GMT):
But if you see some really important feature or addin LET ME KNOW cause i wanna see if I can get it. next step we will be integrating JIRA to help with roadmaps and bug tracking for the software projects

Silona (Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:08:39 GMT):
https://wiki2.hyperledger.org/display/tools/Welcome+to+the+Big+Migration

st (Thu, 17 Jan 2019 07:57:20 GMT):
Hi to everybody, thanks for the minutes @Bobbijn and I wish @Silona the best for your new responsibilities. I expressed my interest in the *smart contracts SIG* which @KellyCooper informed you about from learning materials perspective but also from a research perspective. I don't know if this is the right WG for the research part and if there are any thoughts for a paper about smart contracts on HL

st (Thu, 17 Jan 2019 07:57:20 GMT):
Hi to everybody, thanks for the minutes @Bobbijn and I wish @Silona the best for your new responsibilities. I expressed my interest in the *smart contracts SIG* which @KellyCooper informed you about from learning materials perspective but also from research perspective. I don't know if this is the right WG for the research part and if there are any thoughts for a paper about smart contracts on HL

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Silona (Thu, 17 Jan 2019 20:00:07 GMT):
Smart Contracts feels more like a work group that a sig. Are you talking about doing a workgroup proposal to do a smart contracts white paper?

Silona (Thu, 17 Jan 2019 20:01:49 GMT):
we have official work groups right now on things like architecture that are doing an interop white paper, also a performance and scale wg, and Identity Wg that are all working on white papers for the community and sometimes working with the Projects themselves.

st (Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:22:28 GMT):
@Silona Yes sure, I am very interested to make a workgroup proposal about smart contracts and start working on a white paper on this subject asap. Can you give me some directions what documents should I fill in and the next steps?

Silona (Sun, 20 Jan 2019 02:58:34 GMT):
Sure @st check out https://wiki2.hyperledger.org/display/HYP/Working+Group+Process

Silona (Sun, 20 Jan 2019 02:58:52 GMT):
you can also do inline comments if you feel something is unclear.

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st (Tue, 22 Jan 2019 07:43:53 GMT):
@Silona I published my WG prosposal. Thanks for the directions

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richzhao (Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:08:07 GMT):
glad to see you all made a such progress. I have given a couple of workshops in IBM, I can help on learning materials

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brockhager (Tue, 29 Jan 2019 20:08:15 GMT):
Hello @richzhao - Would like to speak with you

SJoshi7 (Wed, 30 Jan 2019 09:22:31 GMT):
Hello @KellyCooper , I would love to contribute to the learning material. Is there any need of an article to be written on some topic ?

fcioanca (Thu, 31 Jan 2019 17:24:59 GMT):
Hi, I wanted to remind everyone that we are in need of volunteers to monitor the LFS171x forum on edX, and assist students that have problems. While there are not a lot of them, your help is much appreciated. To prioritize, these would be the ones that would need immediate assistance: https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c4f751c58adcb0962001819, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c277326db70a909bd000143, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c46c9943eb9e60991001328, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c451e1258adcb09a10011a8, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c4292c13eb9e6099d00113b, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c36b9fd3eb9e609c40009c6, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c2752b7db70a909c2000149. Thank you all for your help!

fcioanca (Thu, 31 Jan 2019 17:24:59 GMT):
Hi, I wanted to remind everyone that we are in need of volunteers to monitor the LFS171x forum on edX, and assist students that have problems. While there are not a lot of them, your help is much appreciated. To prioritize, these would be the ones that would need immediate assistance: https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c4f751c58adcb0962001819, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c277326db70a909bd000143, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c46c9943eb9e60991001328, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c451e1258adcb09a10011a8, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c4292c13eb9e6099d00113b, https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c36b9fd3eb9e609c40009c6, ``` ``` https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2018/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c2752b7db70a909c2000149. ``` ``` Thank you all for your help!

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DerrickL (Wed, 06 Feb 2019 04:28:18 GMT):
Hi, I'm wondering why Hyperledger can't provide free online training e.g. Sawtooth and Fabric for potential developers and ambassadors, while organising free bootcamp in Hong Kong to enlist more helpers onboard? Both the Blockchain: Understanding Its Uses and Implications and Introduction on Hyperledger Technologies courses (free enrolment), as the name implied, are just introduction. They are not detail enough for a developer to start setting up and understand the extensive framework for development purposes.

atcvince (Tue, 12 Feb 2019 04:51:09 GMT):
@Silona @Bobbijn As discussed earlier in the call, the Pull Request can be found at https://github.com/hyperledger/education/pull/104

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Bobbijn (Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:59:28 GMT):
Please review the Agenda for the call at 1pm this afternoon: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/2019-2-25

Silona (Mon, 25 Feb 2019 18:19:18 GMT):
https://github.com/hyperledger/education/tree/import-edx-content/LFS171x/docs fcioanca@linuxfoundation.org

fcioanca (Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:47:03 GMT):
Hi, we have an escalated Fabric-related technical inquiry in the Hyperledger MOOC on edX. Could somebody please help this student? https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:LinuxFoundationX+LFS171x+3T2017/discussion/forum/i4x-LinuxFoundationX-LFS171x-course-3T_2017/threads/5c6818483eb9e6099d0027ff

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Bobbijn (Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:56:36 GMT):
Zoom Conference https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Survey: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Survey

Bobbijn (Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:57:09 GMT):
Obtain a Linux Login: https://www.hyperledger.org/community/collaboration-tools

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rdmross (Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:43:21 GMT):
Bobbi created a really good New Members page at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/New+Member+Welcome+Page

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Thaddeus (Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:37:45 GMT):
Hi @SjirNijssen. I am not sure if you remember me but we were working on a core concepts doc several months ago. I had to leave the group for some time due and was wondering if you had a copy you could share for use in the Learning Materials WG

Thaddeus (Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:38:32 GMT):
@SjirNijssen - my email is taizan010@gmail.com

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SaraG (Fri, 05 Apr 2019 11:56:13 GMT):
Hi! I've added some interesting info on Iroha here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/IROHA. Does the format look appropriate?

SaraG (Fri, 05 Apr 2019 11:56:13 GMT):
Hi! I've added some interesting (in my opinion of course) info on Iroha here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/IROHA. Does the format look appropriate?

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Bobbijn (Fri, 05 Apr 2019 18:47:37 GMT):
https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group

rdmross (Sun, 07 Apr 2019 20:56:51 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=jPGQF265KTvo4SXX8) @Thaddeus Hi Thaddeus, I have not heard from Sjir in months. To catch up, go to our new wiki at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG Also hope to see you at tomorrow mornings meeting at https://zoom.us/j/4034983298?status=success at 10:00 AM Pacific Time

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SaraG (Mon, 08 Apr 2019 17:47:44 GMT):
Hi! Unfortunately, I missed the meeting. Would the agenda be shared?

rjones (Tue, 09 Apr 2019 16:45:32 GMT):
For more information see: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG

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Bobbijn (Sun, 21 Apr 2019 19:22:22 GMT):
Agenda https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/2019-4-22

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davidkhala (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 14:29:02 GMT):
Hi all

davidkhala (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 14:31:06 GMT):
From the website https://www.hyperledger.org/resources/training, I have a question that what is the content beneath bullet point "meetup kits"? Appreciate for any ellaboration in advance.

Silona (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:23:42 GMT):
Adding @aanburajan to talk about a membership drive for the WG

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Silona (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:24:07 GMT):
i think it is a good first example of how we might increase outreach for WGs

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:26:00 GMT):
Hi everyone -- would love to help you with this membership drive ... A great first point of outreach is the monthly newsletter which is being written as we speak and will go out on Friday or Monday. Can anyone share a write up or google form that you would like to use to get more eyeballs / potential leads for the WG? Are there other ways you have thought of marketing and doing outreach? We can build collateral and distribute on different channels based on what your needs and goals are

Silona (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:26:53 GMT):
This group also works on the EdX Mooc - so that might also be another interesting Tie in

Silona (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:27:16 GMT):
maybe even little prizes for spoting inaccuracies and fixing them or ??

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:27:33 GMT):
Well what I think would be great is this:

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:27:45 GMT):
a) Can we do a quick call or can you send me a quick summary of goals of the drive?

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:27:52 GMT):
b) Can we get something into this month's HL newsltter

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:28:17 GMT):
c) We'll come up with 5 to 6 different distribution ideas / channels and asks that we execute on over the next 3 to 4 weeks (or longer depending on your needs)

Silona (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:29:12 GMT):
An internal ask - is to get each project to have a representative. but externally - we are looking at translations too and how to best support thing

Silona (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:29:20 GMT):
them

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:31:49 GMT):
Ok cool... so the main goal is to recruit people who can translate training materials?

fcioanca (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:38:19 GMT):
Hi @aanburajan one of the main goals for this group is to review and update existing training materials (especially when it comes to the edX MOOC), and write new training material (both for elearning, such as MOOC, or instructor-led purposes), and also to provide support in the MOOC forum, translate training materials, etc

fcioanca (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:38:19 GMT):
Hi @aanburajan one of the main goals for this group is to review and update existing training materials (especially when it comes to the edX MOOC), and write new training material (both for elearning, such as MOOC, or instructor-led purposes), but also to provide support in the MOOC forum, translate training materials, etc

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:39:16 GMT):
Ok great. And what is the ask of the membership drive?

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:39:30 GMT):
To have new members come in translate and update materials on HL?

aanburajan (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:40:22 GMT):
Not sure what time zone you are in -- I'm in NYC / East Coast -- and would be happy to do a call so I can understand this better and make sure we're providing the support needed

fcioanca (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:41:00 GMT):
I am in Chicago (US CST)

fcioanca (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:41:23 GMT):
Here are the details of the group: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG

Silona (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:48:40 GMT):
The main goal is stated on the wiki page and it is a big larger than translating or updating materials

Silona (Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:51:50 GMT):
"It is focused on developing open source training material (licensed as specified by the Hyperledger Charter) to educate people interested in expanding their knowledge of Hyperledger and its projects. The working group will consult with other Hyperledger working groups, Hyperledger team members, and the project maintainers to identify training needs and develop strategies, as well as, material to address those needs. The output of this working group will be targeted towards both technical and non-technical audiences"

Silona (Wed, 24 Apr 2019 02:10:30 GMT):
Hey devs, anything exciting going on? please consider submitting a blog post! http://bit.ly/HLEDSubmission

Bobbijn (Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:09:34 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=YH9ZGym9jdRcMJ7DG) @davidkhala Hello, Just spoke to David and The materials for Meetup groups will be available soon on the LMDWG wiki page soon. Thanks

Bobbijn (Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:09:34 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=YH9ZGym9jdRcMJ7DG) @davidkhala Hello, Just touched base to David and The materials for Meetup groups will be available soon on the LMDWG wiki page soon. Thanks

Bobbijn (Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:09:34 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=YH9ZGym9jdRcMJ7DG) @davidkhala Hello, Just touched base to David and The materials for Meetup groups will be available soon on the LMDWG wiki page. Thanks

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rdmross (Fri, 03 May 2019 17:49:19 GMT):
@fcioanca @Bobbijn @Silona I would like to review edx material for the new Blockchain for Business course. If nobody else volunteered, I would like early review access and the link to the new material to get started.

Bobbijn (Sat, 04 May 2019 02:21:28 GMT):
Thank you for volunteering, please add your information to the contact page, https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Team+Members so we can reach out and then sign up for the edx update spot here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2394031 , if you need help editing the wiki page , see the guide here https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/New+Member+Welcome+Page. Talk on Monday for our Bi-weekly call at 1pm eastern time, great speakers .

Bobbijn (Mon, 06 May 2019 16:28:38 GMT):
See what happening in the Hyperledger Learning Materials Working Grou at 1 pm Eastern Standard time Just follow this link: https://lnkd.in/et9Jb4J and hear about Hyperledger Learning Materials and Documentation. If you want to contribute to the LMDWG group JOIN HERE: https://lnkd.in/e2gQKxX. #hyperledger #hyperledgerfabric #LedgerAcademy # #documentation…see more No alt text provided for this image

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If you, or your company, is interested in participating in the Linux Foundation Fabric developer workshop, please complete this short Form by May 15: https://forms.gle/v4CuDnHQ9QA9pf6p8

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Bobbijn (Sun, 02 Jun 2019 18:21:11 GMT):
Monday June 3rd 1PM Want to learn more about the Hyperledger Learning Materials and Documentation Working Group? Follow this Link: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Monday, 6/3 @ 1pm ET and learn how to contribute to the Learning Materials Working Group. Help review and create Hyperledger documentation. Join Us -All are welcome! Agenda (https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/AGENDA+6-3-2019)

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rdmross (Thu, 13 Jun 2019 05:14:35 GMT):
@Bobbijn I did not know there was another 2019 Q2 Learning Materials and Documentation Working Group report at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/HYP/2019+Q2+Learning+Materials+and+Documentation+Working+Group . The one I was working on is at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/TSC+Update+Q2

rdmross (Thu, 13 Jun 2019 05:14:35 GMT):
@Bobbijn I did not know there was another 2019 Q2 Learning Materials and Documentation Working Group report at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/HYP/2019+Q2+Learning+Materials+and+Documentation+Working+Group . The one I was working on last week is at https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/TSC+Update+Q2

Bobbijn (Thu, 13 Jun 2019 23:43:51 GMT):
Hello, The report was moved over for the Monday due date. Sorry for the confusion. Bobbi

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Bobbijn (Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:01:54 GMT):
Good morning and Happy Monday. Please join us for the Learning Materials Documentation Working Group bi-weekly call today at 1pm ET, the agenda can be found at :kiss_ww: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=13865351, hope you can join us.

Bobbijn (Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:01:54 GMT):
Good morning and Happy Monday. Please join us for the Learning Materials Documentation Working Group bi-weekly call today at 1pm ET, the agenda can be found at: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=13865351, hope you can join us.

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swcurran (Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:55:23 GMT):
I focus mainly on Indy/Aries and as a side service we offer in-person training. We have a client looking for that training, but also training on Sawtooth. Could someone let me know the state of the art on Sawtooth training, and if anyone offers in-person training on Sawtooth?

Bobbijn (Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:57:34 GMT):
@swcurran , Hello, The LMDWG is currently editing the EDx course which just has a overview of Sawtooth. I am focusing Ledger Academy to offer in depth Sawtooth and Fabric sessions but I am 6 months out. How about https://training.linuxfoundation.org/certification/certified-hyperledger-sawtooth-administrator-chsa/

Bobbijn (Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:12:29 GMT):
Hello, The Learning Materials Development call for Monday July 1st is cancelled. The group efforts are focused on the Edx update. Our call will resume July 15th. As always please check our our resource page ( https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2394031 ) to sponsor a task We will be creating a survey to poll the members as to the groups future direction and leadership. Please contact me with any questions Thanks, Bobbi On 2018-12-14 16:02, Kelly Cooper wrote: Hi all. In our 17 December and 31 December working group meetings, we will set group and personal goals for 2019 with Hyperledger. We can benefit from a focused, agreed upon set of work for 2019. We have members who are in learning mode. Personal learning goals that lead to creating documentation also serves our Learning Materials Development charter. In other words, if you know nothing about Burrow and want to, in 2019 creating a lesson, tutorial or presentation enhances your learning path and contributes to the group. We may have some members interested in collaborating on a project or building a PoC. Before our meeting, please consider what you are interested in for your own professional development path and/or what you are interested in working with on with a team. In 2018 our viable content contribution is minimal. In part, because we contribute away from work hours whereas in some groups IBM, Intel, etc. employees may contribute while at work. That said, we need to amp up our game in 2019. Please bring ideas to the 17 December meeting or email ideas in if you are unable to attend. Call 17 December 2018 @ 10:00 PST Introductions from people new to the call Flavia or Magda edX update 2019 Team Draft Plan (to be vetted and approved before 31 December) Identify 2-3 Objectives Check alignment of each objective to Group Charter and Hyperledger goals Identify Key Results for each Objective Align names and date ranges 2019 Individual Professional Development Draft Plan (to be set by 31 December) Identify 2-3 individual or small group Objectives Check alignment of each objective to personal goals and as a contribution to our working group Identify Key Results for each Objective Set up date ranges ===== Description:Topic: Hyperledger Training and Education WG Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Or iPhone one-tap : US: +16465588656,,4034983298# or +16699006833,,4034983298# Or Telephone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 855 880 1246 (Toll Free) or +1 877 369 0926 (Toll Free) Meeting ID: 403 498 3298 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/bAaJoyznp _._,_._,_ Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#201) | Reply To Sender | Reply To Group | Mute This Topic | New Topic Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [bobbi@ledgeracademy.com] _._,_._,_

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Bobbijn (Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:34:46 GMT):
Good morning and Happy Monday. Please join us for the Learning Materials Documentation Working Group bi-weekly call today at 1pm ET, the agenda can be found at: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=13865351, hope you can join us.

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Bobbijn (Tue, 16 Jul 2019 01:36:09 GMT):
If you missed the Learning Materials and Development Working Group call today, the recording of the meeting can be found here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425711#app-switcher . Great conversations about EdX courses and Best practices for documentation.

GhanVashishtha (Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:10:51 GMT):
Hi Everyone, Sharing the Details of *Zeeve - Blockchain as a Service platform*, which we introduced today in the Hyperledger India National Meet-up. *It is free to use for Developers and Learners* Zeeve Platform Sign-in/Sign-up https://www.zeeve.io/ *JOIN TELEGRAM ACTIVE COMMUNITY* http://t.me/ZeevePlatform Please do Sign-up and Connect with the dev team on telegram and share your invaluable feedbacks and feature requests.

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Bobbijn (Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:58:52 GMT):
Hello, Please join the Learning Materials Development call tomorrow and see how you can get involved in our Working Group! Below is a link the agenda https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/2019-7-29

Bobbijn (Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:59:00 GMT):
Hope to talk to you tomorrow

rbole (Thu, 15 Aug 2019 08:05:58 GMT):
@Bobbijn hi, maybe i can help with the key term documentation stuff? if help is needed any more

Bobbijn (Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:00:37 GMT):
@rbole , Hello, that would be awesome. We have started collecting the key terms from different resources and stored then on this wiki page: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2394127. The page needs to be organized . For additional resources, each project has developed documentation which can be accessed here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425586. Finally , please add your name to this task on Resources page here https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2394031. Let me know if you have questions, @Bobbijn

rbole (Sat, 17 Aug 2019 08:05:27 GMT):
hi @Bobbijn I have some questions regarding the task. 1.) What is the general purpose of collecting all key terms? 2.) Should all keywords be collected only from Fabric or from all Hyperledger projects grouped by project? 3.) From the Fabric project you have all ready collected key terms from three resources: - https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/latest/key_concepts.html - LinuxFoundationX: LFS171x Blockchain for Business - An Introduction to Hyperledger Technologie - Glossary Fabric Are these all resources available? 4.) In what form should the key terms be collected? 5.) Is the specification of the source of a term necessary?

KellyCooper (Sun, 18 Aug 2019 17:07:03 GMT):
The Sovrin Glossary offers a lot of terms and is a great resource. https://sovrin.org/library/glossary/

rbole (Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:40:17 GMT):
@KellyCooper ok, it looks great and has also links to further documentation.

Bobbijn (Mon, 19 Aug 2019 16:48:14 GMT):
@rbole The general purpose of the key terms is to have one spot "Key Terms" or glossary for the community to access when creating Learning Materials. The key words should come from all the projects , not just fabric. To begin I thought we could start with the terms that will not be project specific. For the first attempt, we can choose what terms best fit a general purpose guide. Just use your judgement. Can I put you on the agenda next Monday to show the group where you are? Bobbi

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rbole (Tue, 20 Aug 2019 05:32:25 GMT):
@Bobbijn thanks for explanation, when will the meeting take place?

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Bobbijn (Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:48:05 GMT):
Meetings Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community US: +16465588656,,4034983298# or +16699006833,,4034983298# Or Telephone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 646 558 8656 or +1 669 900 6833 or +1 855 880 1246 (Toll Free) or +1 877 369 0926 (Toll Free) Meeting ID: 403 498 3298 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/bAaJoyznp All Hyperledger meetings are run covered by the following Antitrust Policy. Learning Materials and Documentation Working Group conference bi-weekly on Mondays 10 AM Pacific. See the Calendar of Public Meetings for the next meeting and dial in details.

Bobbijn (Thu, 22 Aug 2019 14:49:05 GMT):
Meeting This Monday, Look forward to chatting about project then.

KellyCooper (Thu, 05 Sep 2019 16:16:50 GMT):
@Bobbijn I will not be in the meeting, it's in the middle of my work morning. I did update what I'm working on, on the Resources page.

VipinB (Fri, 06 Sep 2019 17:19:11 GMT):
Is Self-Sovereign Identity training available through Hyperledger or any of the MooC platforms?

swcurran (Fri, 06 Sep 2019 17:22:01 GMT):
I did a course that I can point you to. I'm also co-authoring two courses right now on SSI, Indy, Ursa and Aries that will be launching on edX soon.

swcurran (Fri, 06 Sep 2019 17:22:01 GMT):
I did a chapter of the previous HL edX Bloackchain for business. That course has been updated without any of the project chapters so it's no longer online. I'm also co-authoring two courses right now on SSI, Indy, Ursa and Aries that will be launching on edX soon.

swcurran (Fri, 06 Sep 2019 17:23:36 GMT):
Soon = next month or so for the first (basics for business and technical audience), and then a developer course focused on building Aries agents.

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VipinB (Fri, 06 Sep 2019 19:14:23 GMT):
Sounds good @swcurran - We like to provide backgrounders for new members in the Identity WG so this is of interest. Thanks...

Bobbijn (Mon, 09 Sep 2019 12:42:31 GMT):
@rbole , Hello, that would be awesome. We have started collecting the key terms from different resources and stored them on this wiki page: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2394127. The page needs to be organized . For additional resources, each project has developed documentation which can be accessed here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425586. Finally , please add your name to this task on Resources page here https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2394031. Let me know if you have questions, @Bobbijn

Bobbijn (Mon, 09 Sep 2019 14:03:16 GMT):
Hello, Please join the Learning Materials Development Working Group (the LMDWG) call this afternoon at 1pm ET. The agenda link is: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/2019+9-9 and the Zoom call can be accessed from our Wiki page : https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group Talk soon,

Bobbijn (Mon, 09 Sep 2019 21:23:47 GMT):
The recording of today's meeting : https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425711

idowuakinde (Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:15:31 GMT):
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idowuakinde (Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:15:44 GMT):
Good day all.

idowuakinde (Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:17:08 GMT):
So, I randomly discovered this channel. I'll ruminate a little on how the process of discovery of: (1) the LMDWG chat space, and (2) this specific channel can be made more intuitive.

idowuakinde (Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:17:16 GMT):
Happy to connect. Thank you.

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madelinemurray (Sun, 15 Sep 2019 22:24:32 GMT):
hi - I'm new to the group and part of the Besu team. Trying to find my way around currently. Is the bi-weekly call on the HL calendar? I couldn't see it.

Bobbijn (Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:07:47 GMT):
Hello , Awesome your joining us,, our next call is 9/23 1pm ET and it is listed as the Training and Education Working Group. . We have recently updated our confluence home page for easy onboarding , would love your feedback. Great to have you with us ! Bobbi

szewong (Wed, 18 Sep 2019 16:06:57 GMT):
Hi @swcurran , I worked with @VipinB on the Identity WG. Would love to help review any training material. Again, the goal is so that people who join the Identity WG, and HL at large, have a starting point on Identity. We want to provide new comers with a must read list of Identity 101.

swcurran (Wed, 18 Sep 2019 16:13:18 GMT):
We've done most of the materials for the new course. If you are interested, we could give you access to review it. We'd sure appreciate it!

szewong (Wed, 18 Sep 2019 16:14:27 GMT):
That would be awesome.

swcurran (Wed, 18 Sep 2019 16:15:13 GMT):
We have them in Google Docs right now. Are you able to access those types of documents?

szewong (Wed, 18 Sep 2019 16:16:11 GMT):
google doc in general? or google doc within HL? I have a google account (szewong@gmail.com).

swcurran (Wed, 18 Sep 2019 16:17:09 GMT):
I'll share the documents with you and you can review and comment. Email coming soon...

szewong (Wed, 18 Sep 2019 16:17:25 GMT):
Great thanks.

Bobbijn (Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:21:30 GMT):

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Bobbijn (Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:22:36 GMT):
Please join the LMDWG bi-weekly call today at 1pm ET, here is the Agenda https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/September+23%2C+2019

idowuakinde (Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:25:11 GMT):
Thank you, @Bobbijn

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Bobbijn (Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:35:35 GMT):

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Bobbijn (Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:35:49 GMT):

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Bobbijn (Mon, 07 Oct 2019 12:35:54 GMT):
Hello, Please join the Learning Materials Development Working Group (the LMDWG) call this afternoon at 1pm ET. Here is a link to the agenda items: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/October+7%2C+2019 Here is a link to access the Zoom room: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Talk soon, Bobbi On 2019-09-09 15:07, bobbi@ledgeracademy.com wrote: Please find the recording for today's Learning Materials Documentation Working Group call: zoom_0.mp4 And the meeting notes: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=20021357. Have a great week. Bobbi Muscara Chair Learning Materials Working Group BCPrinceton.com Ledger Academy On 2019-09-09 10:01, Bobbi wrote: Hello, Please join the Learning Materials Development Working Group (the LMDWG) call this afternoon at 1pm ET. The agenda link is: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/2019+9-9 and the Zoom call can be accessed from our Wiki page : https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group Talk soon, Bobbi Muscara LMDWG Ledger Academy

idowuakinde (Mon, 07 Oct 2019 14:21:01 GMT):
[ ](https://chat.hyperledger.org/channel/learning-materials-development-wg?msg=2zWRX6QomBsfRTJtJ)

idowuakinde (Mon, 07 Oct 2019 14:23:00 GMT):
Does anyone here use the Confluence app? I downloaded it but it appears I might be getting the Hyperledger instance url wrong. Any ideas? Please see screenshots. Thank you...

idowuakinde (Mon, 07 Oct 2019 14:35:53 GMT):

Confluence Android App Error 1.jpeg

idowuakinde (Mon, 07 Oct 2019 14:35:54 GMT):

Confluence Android App Error 2.jpeg

KellyCooper (Tue, 08 Oct 2019 22:55:37 GMT):
Go to wiki.hyperledger.org and log in to your Linux Foundation account there. Then, you will be able to move around in the wiki.

KellyCooper (Tue, 08 Oct 2019 22:55:37 GMT):
@idowaukinde Go to wiki.hyperledger.org and log in to your Linux Foundation account there. Then, you will be able to move around in the wiki.

idowuakinde (Wed, 09 Oct 2019 10:33:18 GMT):
Thank you @KellyCooper . Will try that and revert.

idowuakinde (Wed, 09 Oct 2019 18:18:22 GMT):
Hi @KellyCooper thank you for the tip. It works now.

idowuakinde (Wed, 09 Oct 2019 18:18:45 GMT):
I think this login flow could be improved upon.

Bobbijn (Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:13:09 GMT):
Hello Please complete the attached survey. We Are collecting general information from our members to gain an understanding of our group makeup. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfSXgakhm22RYZt9S5QgljbEEWh_AcW1sn5GsbsLxXStAo6eQ/viewform

Bobbijn (Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:13:33 GMT):
We will review during our next call 10/21/2019

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Bobbijn (Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:11:47 GMT):
Hello, Please join the Learning Materials Development Working Group (the LMDWG) call this afternoon at 1pm ET. ( https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community ) Here is a link to the agenda items: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/October+21%2C+2019 Please add any additions to the agenda. ***IMPORTANT****** If you have not completed the 2 minutes survey please take time to do so, LMDWG Survey Link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfSXgakhm22RYZt9S5QgljbEEWh_AcW1sn5GsbsLxXStAo6eQ/viewform Talk soon Bobbi Muscara

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Bobbijn (Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:25:05 GMT):
Hello, The Learning Materials Working Group call today is cancelled. Please forward any information to be added to our agenda for our next meeting November 18, where we will discuss the restructuring of the Working group. ***IMPORTANT****** If you have not completed the 2 minutes survey please take time to do so, LMDWG Survey Link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfSXgakhm22RYZt9S5QgljbEEWh_AcW1sn5GsbsLxXStAo6eQ/viewform

idowuakinde (Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:20:53 GMT):
Oh, ok... Just seeing this. Been on the zoom bridge...

idowuakinde (Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:21:56 GMT):
Obviously, I didn't "get the memo"... 🙂

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idowuakinde (Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:04:48 GMT):
Hi everyone, I'm on the zoom call. Anyone else coming?

idowuakinde (Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:18:19 GMT):
Hi guys. Leaving at 6:15pm (my time)...

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SaraG (Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:52:24 GMT):
Hi everyone! Do you know who's in charge of EDX courses for Hyperledger? There's a course on Identity on Ursa, Aries and Indy, and we in Iroha also have some good examples of working with identity – we could add that as an additional chapter or smth. Who can talk about it to?

swcurran (Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:44:35 GMT):
Hi @SaraG - I'm a coauthor of that course, and we worked with Magda and Flavia at the Linux Foundation on the course.

SaraG (Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:41:47 GMT):
Hi, nice to meet you! Do you think it is possible to add materials to the course with other projects involved?

swcurran (Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:45:04 GMT):
My thought is that it probably doesn't fit, since in the course we are focused on the general identity use case (e.g. where OAuth, OIDC and the like apply, getting rid of "Login with Facebook"), and not on identity for blockchain.

SaraG (Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:59:05 GMT):
Well, we did an identity project for one of the banks in Asia - it is built on Iroha blockchain (obviously), though it is not for blockchain, but for several companies (like insurance, banking etc) acting as a private blockchain network

SaraG (Sun, 08 Dec 2019 17:00:35 GMT):
SSI's are also supported by Iroha

swcurran (Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:15:14 GMT):
Interesting stuff. Can you point me to some material on the use case and I can see about a fit?

SaraG (Mon, 09 Dec 2019 10:28:22 GMT):
Sure, here's a press release https://www.newswire.com/news/applications-of-soramitsus-sora-platform-and-hyperledger-iroha-for-20902012 and the paper that our researchers published https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/8377927

SaraG (Mon, 09 Dec 2019 11:15:07 GMT):
Please let me know if there are any questions! I can contact the developers about that

Silona (Mon, 09 Dec 2019 21:47:49 GMT):
Reminder if you haven't submitted yet the Hyperledger Fabric Developer (CHFD) exam is scheduled to launch in late Q1 2020 and we are now looking for Beta testers. Interested parties should complete the CHFD Beta Sign-up Form by January 15, 2020. https://training.linuxfoundation.org/certification/certified-hyperledger-fabric-developer/ https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScPxgBt6GvuTcrtjYCkWqW2D6o-2YrNd4vR--KXFGUw-5Ctsw/viewform

Silona (Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:02:18 GMT):
https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/Marketing/Developer+Events

Bobbijn (Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:32:07 GMT):
Good Morning, Please join the Hyperledger Learning Materials Development Working Group, TODAY, Monday 1pm ET. ZOOM LINK https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Please visit our HOMEPAGE https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group We have a lot to cover today , Please find a link to the AGENDA: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/December+16%2C+2019 This event is not on the calendar but will happen today ! Talk Soon Bobbi

Bobbijn (Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:32:12 GMT):

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Silona (Thu, 09 Jan 2020 20:17:58 GMT):
Last chance! The Linux Foundation worked with Hyperledger Fabric Developer subject matter expert volunteers to identify the core domains and competencies for the Certified Hyperledger Fabric Developer (CHFD) exam, scheduled to launch in March 2020. Are you interested in participating in the Beta and receiving an early peek? The CHFD Beta is FREE for the first 100 who take the exam. Complete the CHFD Beta Sign-up Form by January 15, 2020 for your chance. If you pass you will be CHFD Certified!

Silona (Mon, 13 Jan 2020 19:00:18 GMT):
Great meeting today! thank you for having me. Remember you can always ping me here on rocketchat too!

Silona (Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:51:30 GMT):
Help Us Help you! Attend the Developer Relationship Meeting with Myself and our Marketing Dept. tomorrow at 9:00am Pacific Time. For the agenda and Dial in info https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/Marketing/2020-01-15+Meeting+notes

Silona (Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:05:24 GMT):
Calling all Projects, SIG, and WG!!! We will have a Video recording Studio setup at HGF (Hyperledger Global Forum). We are asking that all projects and groups help us create a 5 minute video about your group so that we can promote it afterward. Sign up Here! https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/HGF/Video+Recording+Schedule

Silona (Mon, 27 Jan 2020 22:27:11 GMT):
The Linux Foundation’s CommunityBridge engineers are working on a tool to measure the health of critical open source projects and one of the key areas identified is QA Testing. They request that our communities provide honest and detailed information on testing tools and methodologies you use in your projects for us to come up with a detailed analysis, which they will share with all respondents and projects. https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/9H5G2GV. It’s only 5 questions long.

Silona (Thu, 13 Feb 2020 18:25:09 GMT):
Howdy Contributors and Maintainers! Are you wondering about tapping into Developer marketing for your group or project? Do you have a blog post idea? An awesome announcement? Please attend our Contributor/marketing meeting! https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/Marketing/2020-02-19+Meeting+notes

Silona (Mon, 17 Feb 2020 22:18:52 GMT):
Are you wondering about tapping into Developer marketing for your group or project? Do you have a blog post idea? An awesome announcement? Please attend TOMORROW! https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/Marketing/2020-02-19+Meeting+notes

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Bobbijn (Fri, 01 May 2020 20:51:09 GMT):
Hello Please join the Hyperledger Learning Materials Development Working Group,(LMD) Monday 5/4/2020, 1pm ET. ZOOM LINK https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.communitY Please visit THE LMD'S HOMEPAGE to get involved. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group Presentation by Shiv Aggarwal on My Earth-ID Please make additions to the agenda as you see fit. Here is the link: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Agenda+May+4%2C+2020 Talk Soon, Bobbi Muscara Ledger Academy www.LedgerAcademy.com

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rbole (Tue, 19 May 2020 05:48:23 GMT):
Hi I have a question regarding the Certified Hyperledger Fabric Developer exam. Is there any plan for a preparation course? And if so, when will it be available?

Bobbijn (Thu, 28 May 2020 20:16:54 GMT):
Hello, I will look into a prep course for you, but here is a resource https://training.linuxfoundation.org/certification/certified-hyperledger-fabric-developer/

rbole (Fri, 29 May 2020 12:50:19 GMT):
thanks for that, I'm looking for preparation material for this exam!

kenty (Sat, 30 May 2020 16:31:06 GMT):
exciting!:grinning:

rbole (Sun, 07 Jun 2020 06:07:59 GMT):
Hello @Bobbijn do you know something new about the development preparation course ?

dtomczyk (Tue, 09 Jun 2020 14:42:26 GMT):
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sillysachin (Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:03:12 GMT):
Is there CHFD/CHFA for Fabric 2.x and any timeline for it ?

Bobbijn (Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:04:24 GMT):
Hello, Please join the Hyperledger Learning Materials working Group call today at 1pm EDT. We are having a special presentation by Kent Lau TOPIC A brief tour of the code from several different projects!!! Here is the Zoom link: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.communitY Please visit THE LMD'S HOMEPAGE to get involved. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group Please make additions to the agenda as you see fit. Here is the link: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Agenda+June+15%2C+2020. Talk soon,

Bobbijn (Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:17:16 GMT):
Please join call today for a discussion on this topic

sillysachin (Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:04:15 GMT):
Got meeting id not valid on zoom link

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rjones (Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:45:49 GMT):
Hi, @Bobbijn . I see on your [wiki page](https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group) an effort to translate TSC documentation - now that the TSC documentation is in GitHub, how could I move this forwards? We have the pt_BR, zh_CN, ja_JP, and ml_IN items in progress for Fabric documentation

rjones (Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:46:14 GMT):
Is Transifex a good tool?

Bobbijn (Sun, 28 Jun 2020 22:05:59 GMT):
Hello , yes the LMDWG was attempting to organize this information . Will have more information at our next meeting in two weeks.

Bobbijn (Sun, 28 Jun 2020 22:09:43 GMT):
The LMDWG call is cancelled this week. Please see the notes for our next meeting and make additions as needed. Bobbi

Bobbijn (Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:58:09 GMT):
Hello, Please join the Hyperledger Learning Materials working Group call today (7/13) at 1pm EDT. Here is the Zoom link: https://zoom.us/my/hyperledger.community Visit THE LMD'S HOMEPAGE to get involved. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group Please make additions to the agenda as you see fit. Here is the link: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Agenda+July+13%2C+2020 Talk soon, Bobbi Muscara Ledger Academy

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Bobbijn (Mon, 13 Jul 2020 19:00:01 GMT):
Great meeting today, here is the recording: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425711

Bobbijn (Fri, 07 Aug 2020 20:14:15 GMT):
Hello Please join LMDWG on Monday for a presentation by Alfonso Govela: Consultant for Urban Innovation and Blockchain Metropolis & Blockchain Merida + Hyperledger Merida. Here is a link to the agenda, please make additions as needed: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Agenda+August+10%2C+2020

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SaraG (Thu, 27 Aug 2020 12:45:43 GMT):
Hi guys! Do you know how to add an instructional text to pages in HL Wiki? I believe it's a formatting thing that should be available right there in the wiki but I cannot find it anywhere. As you create learning materials I thought that mybe you know how to do that

rjones (Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:04:37 GMT):
I found it

rjones (Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:33:55 GMT):
when you create a template, there is an option.

rjones (Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:34:53 GMT):
when you go here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/templates2/listpagetemplates.action?key=iroha and create a template, there is an option

rjones (Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:36:53 GMT):

Screenshot 2020-08-27 093556.png

Bobbijn (Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:26:18 GMT):
Thanks @rjones please reach out @SaraG and we can discuss the LMDWG and I can show you resources available. We are currently working on Key terms for the community and could use a fresh set of eyes. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2394031. Bobbi

Bobbijn (Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:28:25 GMT):
Due to the Labor Day Holiday (US) we will postpone Mondays meeting, We will try to re-schedule the beginning of next week, We will have an awesome announcement so stay tune for more exciting details Talk soon,. Bobbi

Bobbijn (Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:29:02 GMT):
Cancelled: [Hyperledger Learning Materials Development WG] LMDWG Bi-weekly Call This event has been cancelled. When: Monday, 7 September 2020 1:00pm to 2:00pm (UTC-04:00) America/New York

Bobbijn (Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:20:10 GMT):
Hello, TSC election are happening at the end of the month. I have made a list of LMDWG members / contributors to send to the election committee to include names in election process , please see our member page : https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2394122 for a list of contributors. Please reach out with any additions or deletion . Thanks and talk soon , Bobbi

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Bobbijn (Mon, 21 Sep 2020 16:55:50 GMT):
Good Afternoon, please join our call happening in 5 minutes: The meeting link is: https://zoom.us/j/95064677643?pwd=ZlZVbWRJUmhReGZoVzdoWFh0NmVCdz09 Password, it is:244020

rjones (Mon, 21 Sep 2020 16:58:39 GMT):
https://zoom.us/j/95064677643?pwd=ZlZVbWRJUmhReGZoVzdoWFh0NmVCdz09 \

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Bobbijn (Mon, 05 Oct 2020 21:43:22 GMT):
Hello, Thank you everyone for participating today. The meeting recording can be found here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425711 The meeting note ( current events ) can be found here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=39619364 Talk soon, Bobbi Muscara Chair Hyperledger Learning Materials Working Group Ledger Academy

Bobbijn (Mon, 05 Oct 2020 21:43:22 GMT):
Hello, Thank you everyone for participating today. The meeting recording can be found here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425711 The meeting notes ( current events ) can be found here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=39619364 Talk soon, Bobbi Muscara Chair Hyperledger Learning Materials Working Group Ledger Academy

Bobbijn (Mon, 05 Oct 2020 21:43:22 GMT):
Hello, Thank you everyone for participating today. The meeting recording can be found here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425711 The meeting notes ( current events ) can be found here: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=39619364 Talk soon, Bobbi

Bobbijn (Sat, 10 Oct 2020 15:16:15 GMT):
The last chance to vote in the TSC election is 11:59pm PDT (GMT-7) today (October 10th). If you are eligible, you should have received your ballot via email from civs@cs.cornell.eu. Historically the TSC election has had low participation rates (only about 1/3rd of eligible voters end up voting). If you have not yet voted in this election, please take a minute to cast your vote right now! Do not throw away your vote by not exercising your choice!

rjones (Sat, 10 Oct 2020 15:40:41 GMT):
(and vote for Bobbi)

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Bobbijn (Mon, 02 Nov 2020 16:14:50 GMT):

Clipboard - November 2, 2020 11:14 AM

Bobbijn (Mon, 02 Nov 2020 16:15:22 GMT):
Join us today 11/2 for an exciting presentation from community member Ravi Vasagam 02 Nov 2020 1PM est The meeting link is: https://zoom.us/j/95064677643?pwd=ZlZVbWRJUmhReGZoVzdoWFh0NmVCdz09 Meeting ID: 950 6467 7643 Password, it is:244020

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Bobbijn (Mon, 02 Nov 2020 19:56:11 GMT):
Here is a link to todays meeting notes and recording https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Meeting+Notes+November+2%2C+2020 Must see presentation by Ravi !!!

Bobbijn (Tue, 03 Nov 2020 21:13:37 GMT):
Lets work on a blog to get some exposure: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Blog+Ideas

sillysachin (Mon, 30 Nov 2020 11:00:50 GMT):
Is the CyberMonday sales for Fabric 2.2 Certifications and Training materials ?

Bobbijn (Tue, 01 Dec 2020 00:44:37 GMT):
Linux Foundation Training cyber Monday sale on bundles of courses 60% with code CYBERSAVE60 include SAWTOOTH ADMIN, FABRIC for DEVELOPERS, FABRIC FOR ADMINISTRATORS

Bobbijn (Tue, 01 Dec 2020 00:46:16 GMT):
Links to courses can be found in today meeting notes, https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Meeting+Notes+November+30%2C+2020

Bobbijn (Tue, 01 Dec 2020 00:48:13 GMT):
Here is today's LMDWG meeting recording, find out what's happening in the community : https://wiki.hyperledger.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=6425711

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Bobbijn (Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:59:50 GMT):
Happy New Year! Our agenda/Meeting Notes have been combined into one form !!!!!!!! Please see the link to the current draft of the Notes for next weeks meeting and add information regarding the status of LMD projects you are working on or add your name next to the agenda item you would like to get involved in. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Meeting+Notes+January+11%2C+2021 Thanks

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stone-ch (Sat, 20 Feb 2021 07:04:19 GMT):

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stone-ch (Sat, 20 Feb 2021 07:04:37 GMT):
Hi, @davidwboswell we are making a Chinese Fabric video tutorial, https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/TWGC/Fabric+Video+Tutorial, I would like to put a picture in the beginning of the video, like this in youtube

stone-ch (Sat, 20 Feb 2021 07:05:47 GMT):
Could you help us make a picture template, we will fill in the subtitle for each video

Bobbijn (Sat, 20 Feb 2021 21:32:28 GMT):
Hello @stone-ch Please join our call on Monday 1pm et . I will put this topics in our agenda to discuss as we could use an update in our video templates Library. Here are the meeting note : https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Meeting+Notes+February+22%2C+2021 and to call information can be found https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group.

stone-ch (Mon, 22 Feb 2021 02:13:23 GMT):
Thanks @Bobbijn , but the meeting time is too early for me, it is 02:00 am

davidwboswell (Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:03:45 GMT):
@stone-ch -- i'm glad to hear about the chinese fabric video tutorial. when that is ready, let me know and i can add it to the hyperledger youtube channel. and for a picture template, feel free to use the design template at: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1AUdBhtrVysDJj-C2W-uhAcGLOnkA_zis1_CRHEBOb-M/edit#slide=id.g88327ab380_1_1

stone-ch (Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:29:01 GMT):
Thanks @davidwboswell , the videos are making now, and parital videos will be finished next week.

davidwboswell (Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:07:09 GMT):
@stone-ch -- that sounds good. let me know how else i can help.

Bobbijn (Mon, 08 Mar 2021 20:46:32 GMT):
Hello, Thanks to everyone who attended today's event. What a great presentation by the folks at INATBA. The recording can be found on our Landing Page along with this weeks events. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group Please note the ZOOM link has been updated for our calls. The current link on our calendar and Landing page have been updated. Thanks, Bobbi

Bobbijn (Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:43:30 GMT):
The LMDWG meeting starts in less than 20 minutes. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+GroupCatch up on community happenings and hear a great presentation: Presentation: Otavio Oliveira, Binarystar Japan, to present their Translation Management System: Building a unified terminology database and translation memory for all things related to Hyperledger using our translation management system. To enhance all global localization efforts, A machine learning-based TB(Term Base) and TM(Translation Memory) can dramatically speed up all languages' efforts. For the way, Hyperledger handles the translation process of different e-courses and other contents having this global translation memory and terminology base for all things Hyperledger, we see it as crucial. Work on leading localization efforts.

Bobbijn (Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:43:30 GMT):
The LMDWG meeting starts in less than 20 minutes. https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/LMDWG/Learning+Materials+Development+Working+Group Catch up on community happenings and hear a great presentation: Presentation: Otavio Oliveira, Binarystar Japan, to present their Translation Management System: Building a unified terminology database and translation memory for all things related to Hyperledger using our translation management system. To enhance all global localization efforts, A machine learning-based TB(Term Base) and TM(Translation Memory) can dramatically speed up all languages' efforts. For the way, Hyperledger handles the translation process of different e-courses and other contents having this global translation memory and terminology base for all things Hyperledger, we see it as crucial. Work on leading localization efforts.

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gig.vali (Tue, 04 May 2021 04:58:14 GMT):
Hello Everybody!!

gig.vali (Tue, 04 May 2021 05:01:46 GMT):
I am Prastik Gyawali, an engineering undergraduate and I was interested to participate in this year's Hyperledger mentorship programme under "The Giving Chain" project. I have gone through the conducive documents/reading materials and want to contribute to this specific project. I would be grateful if someone could give me the initial guidance to get started. Thank You !! Looking forward to contributing to this wonderful community :)

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Bobbijn (Thu, 01 Jul 2021 20:56:16 GMT):
Please join us tomorrow for the first meeting of the Giving Chain a social impact initiative ! https://www.meetup.com/Blockchain-Princeton/events/279151487/

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Bobbijn (Fri, 16 Jul 2021 14:20:35 GMT):
Join us at noon today (EDT) to learn about the Giving Chain's Social Impact projects developed using blockchain. ALL ARE WELCOME . https://www.meetup.com/Blockchain-Princeton/events/279319932/ www.thegivingchain.org

jcarpenter (Wed, 04 Aug 2021 18:15:59 GMT):
Please join the Denver Meetup Group for this event tomorrow: https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Denver/events/279664175/

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jcarpenter (Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:46:57 GMT):
If you are interested in the blockchain job market, please join use for the latest Blockchain Career Fair Network Series this Thursday. https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Denver/events/281236211/

jcarpenter (Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:46:57 GMT):
If you are interested in the blockchain job market, please join us for the latest Blockchain Career Fair Network Series this Thursday. https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Denver/events/281236211/

jcarpenter (Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:31:56 GMT):
If you are interested in learning about the features of the Oracle Blockchain Platform (OBP), and the enhancements Oracle has made to Hyperledger Fabric, please join us for this session on October 28th at 10:00am MT (12:00 noon ET). https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Denver/events/281144972/

jcarpenter (Tue, 09 Nov 2021 15:53:13 GMT):
If you're interested in learning about the rapid deployment of Hyperledger using SIMBA Chain QuickStart, please join us for this virtual Meetup today (11/9/21) at 10:00am MT (12:00noon ET, 9:00am PT) https://www.meetup.com/Hyperledger-Denver/events/281532562/

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theNatassa (Fri, 11 Feb 2022 09:25:12 GMT):
Hi, do you know where I can find guidelines on how to deploy the open source distribution of Hyperledger Fabric 2.2 on OpenShift 4? OpenShift 4 uses podman/cri-o as a container engine instead of Docker so the deployment is a bit tricky to me. Is there any more relevant channel to ask this question ? Thanks ahead!

rjones (Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:35:43 GMT):